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From Christian Grobmeier <>
Subject Re: Cayenne marketing (was: Fwd: Second article appeared today)
Date Thu, 03 Nov 2011 13:31:50 GMT
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Andrus Adamchik <> wrote:
> On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:35 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>> A more concrete proposal:
>> - utilize Twitter for interesting changes, builds anything which is to
>> small to blog but shows activity on Cayenne
> I am trying to use my personal Twitter exclusively for Cayenne:!/andrus_a
 Need to promote it more as well (add it to my email sig or something?). But maybe creating
a project-controlled twitter is better on the long run.

A discussion recently was on board@

Bertrand Delacretaz recommended on twitter:
"AFAIK we don't have a foundation-wide policy, what seems important to
me is that any PMC member can get the credentials, in case the current
owner of those goes away.

It also makes sense IMO to coordinate "important" tweets (whatever
that means) among the PMC members.

I don't know if it's practical to have the private@ list as the owner,
IIUC it would then get notifications of retweets and such which might
be noisy. If you require whoever owns the account to use their address as the owner's address, worst case we could ask
infra to extract mails sent from twitter to that address for password
recovery, if that person's not available anymore and the PMC needs to
get the credentials.

Just me personal advice, no official policy here."

Shane followed up, recommended to respect the trademarks.
That being said, a password shared between Cayeene-PMC members and the
twitter account "apachecayenne" would make much sense!

>> I am willing to help in this area and write blog posts. Either on my
>> blog (which has up to 5000 unique visitors a month) or on the asf blog
>> or both.  But I need a bit guidances from the active developers, to
>> spot interesting changes in time and to understand them quickly. A
>> review of the posts before publishing would also not be so bad :-)
>> - utilize Apache Blog for news
>> In addition I would like to start some kind of "Cayenne series" on my
>> blog. Lets say 1 medium sized article all two weeks. For this I need
>> some input about current changes or things of interest. Or even proof
>> reading :-) I can also agree to co-writers and would accept complete
>> articles from others.
> Awesome! I think we have some interesting things to show right away. E.g. this thing
about String IDs discussed in the parallel thread. In combination with map nature of DataObjects
it allows to do some cool stuff. We can talk about using String IDs to refer to objects; building
persistent "aspects" and attaching lifecycle to them with annotations; what can be done with
such aspects; etc. All of this is still rather new and patterns and best practices are still
being discovered (e.g. you can't do regular joins across aspect relationships, so how do you
build your searches, etc.).
> I am in love with this whole aspect stuff, as I am doing lots of commercial CMS programming
based on Cayenne and relational DBs. But CMS systems require features more often associated
with JCR (Jackrabbit) technology, rather than ORM. The above if done right allows to have
the best of both ORM and JCR worlds.
> Another area is DI configuration. We have a bunch of extension points now, so how do
we take advantage of them to tune an application.

Oh wow, many ideas - tons of posts! And intersting stuff!!
I am not sure where to start but I am willing to learn. We should make
up a list of interesting topics and then look at it one by one. If I
write them myself, I need a bit help to dig them out.


> Andrus


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