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From Robert Zeigler <>
Subject Re: Article
Date Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:59:01 GMT

On Feb 24, 2011, at 2/247:09 AM , Michael Gentry wrote:

> Hi Christian,
> I'm not a Hibernate expert by any stretch, but here are my high-level
> notes on differences between Cayenne and Hibernate:
> * Cayenne doesn't have a LazyInitializationException (LIE).
> * Cayenne doesn't have a TransientObjectException (TOE).
> * Cayenne objects are NOT proxied.  Cayenne objects are OO
> (inheritance) while Hibernate objects are POJOs (which are then
> proxied).

  :) Note that this actually means that using hibernate /does/ involve inheritance, but it
inverts the inheritance structure (hibernate proxies are ultimately subclasses of your POJO's).
 But hibernate proxies can result in some really hard to understand exceptions. ;)

Also, Cayenne does throw an exception when associating two objects from different ObjectContexts...

> * Cayenne doesn't need Spring for transaction management because of
> the DataContext.  (Technically, Hibernate doesn't need Spring either,
> but Spring is quite often used to manage Hibernate.)
> * Cayenne doesn't need DAOs.
> * Cayenne has a native GUI.
> * Cayenne has great optimistic locking support that uses real data
> instead of arbitrary artifacts which are more fragile.

Pretty sure that hibernate can do optimistic locking on whichever set of columns/data you
want, although people typically use a "version" which hibernate can automatically update for

> BTW, the LIE and TOE are what caused one project here to start using
> Cayenne instead of Hibernate.
> Also, I'm not sure I'd focus as much on Cayenne vs Hibernate, but talk
> about the strengths of Cayenne (GUI, DataContext, Optimistic Locking,
> etc).

I definitely think that you don't want to focus too much on Cayenne vs. Hibernate, per se,
unless it's to do as someone else mentioned: for people familiar with Hibernate, the Cayenne
way of doing abc is xyz. 
Otherwise, the thing will devolve into ORM bashing.  For all of its weaknesses, and despite
the amount I loathe working with hibernate (having worked with it for the past 2.5 years now
on a fairly large project), it does have some nice features, and really does support more
"edge-case mappings" than Cayenne does.  (It just supports all of its mappings in a suckier
way than Cayenne. IMO, of course. ;)


> mrg
> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Christian Grobmeier
> <> wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>> as you might know, I am writing from time to time small articles for
>> the press. I have spoken with my mag recently and they are interested
>> in a new Cayenne article as I suggested. I was thinking about
>> comparing Hibernate to Cayenne (there is a good email thread somewhere
>> in the archives with inspiriation) but I am willing to listen for
>> other suggestions. Articles are always good marketing and probably you
>> have a specific topic you want to promote. Ideas? Suggestions? Let me
>> know.
>> Cheers
>> Christian

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