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Subject: Re: Apache retreat in Ireland
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:39:18 +0200
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ApacheCon as opposed to a retreat has a fee (IIRC below|around a 1000  
USD with a discount for committers). Also ApacheCons are held in  
fairly expensive hotels. You don't have to stay in that hotel to  
attend (though most people do, not sure why), but you still have to  
find an alternative in the same area.

> I thought ASF will pay for airplane tickets if kindly asked to..

Apache recently started providing limited travel assistance, given on  
a case to case basis to those considered in need of such assistance.  
So this is more of an exception, not the rule. Also I think speakers'  
all|some expenses are paid and the conference fee is waived.

> At least hotel rooms and food are included, don't they?

For retreat yes (although the details are not final on the food). For  
ApacheCon - no.

> what do "Free" labels on retreat site mean?

No conference fee, and a free room.

Andrus


On Jan 26, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Andrey Razumovsky wrote:

> I see. And what about "fortune cost"? I thought ASF will pay for  
> airplane
> tickets if kindly asked to.. At least hotel rooms and food are  
> included,
> don't they? Otherwise, what do "Free" labels on retreat site mean?
>
> 2010/1/26 Andrus Adamchik <andrus@objectstyle.org>
>
>> Yes, I was at ApacheCon once in 2006 coincidentally also held in  
>> Dublin.
>> Apache conference format was the same as any big technology  
>> conference, held
>> in a big hotel, with some open source "celebrity" keynote speaker,  
>> corporate
>> sponsors (Google, Sun, etc.) having stands in the common area. And  
>> then a
>> few days of sessions, with each session held by the Apache committers
>> talking about their projects (e.g. a sample schedule
>> http://us.apachecon.com/c/acus2009/schedule/2009/11/04 ). I am not  
>> sure
>> what percentage of attendees are committers vs. non-Apache  
>> developers, but I
>> think it is more than 50%. So it is a good albeit fairly expensive  
>> way to
>> meet people from various projects (I didn't use this opportunity to  
>> the full
>> extent in 2006 as I was still very new to Apache).
>>
>> This year there will be still a traditional conference in US in  
>> November
>> (which I am tentatively going to attend and maybe give a Cayenne
>> presentation), but Apache is experimenting with "non-conference"  
>> formats
>> (e.g. BarCamp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp ) - smaller  
>> cheaper
>> informal gatherings that focus on more face-to-face meeting and  
>> doesn't cost
>> a fortune for attendees.
>>
>> A retreat in Ireland is one such attempt. I think another  
>> announcement with
>> more details is coming out soon, as currently the event organizers  
>> are using
>> the registration on the eventbrite site as a questionnaire on  
>> people's
>> preferences about the event details (e.g. catering vs. cooking,  
>> etc.).
>>
>> Andrus
>>
>>
>> On Jan 26, 2010, at 12:37 AM, Andrey Razumovsky wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> When I first got a notification couple months ago, that seemed
>>> interesting.
>>> I sent some questions to those responsible for the organization,  
>>> but never
>>> got an answer. Have you ever been on Apache Cons? So can you share  
>>> some
>>> experience of what's going on there?
>>>
>>> 2010/1/22 Andrus Adamchik <andrus@objectstyle.org>
>>>
>>> http://apache.eventbrite.com/
>>>>
>>>> I am seriously considering going there. I like the fact that ASF is
>>>> trying
>>>> to move from official expensive conference to a number of smaller
>>>> informal
>>>> events. If others want to join we can share a car (although the  
>>>> place is
>>>> pretty close to Dublin, so public transportation seems like a  
>>>> reasonable
>>>> option).
>>>>
>>>> Andrus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Andrey
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Andrey