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From Andrus Adamchik <>
Subject Re: DataViews - Proposal - move to sourceforge!
Date Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:28:42 GMT
Actually we had a similar discussion some time ago, and also related  
to DataViews. Forking and relicensing is an easy option:

Whoever wants to work on a fork, I suggest you contact Adrian  
Wiesmann (who is likely reading this list). I think he already did a  
fork and placed it on SourceForge (?)

I disagree that Apache license as such is unfriendly to GUI projects  
(at least I haven't heard any reasonable argument to back that idea),  
but the fact that most existing libraries converged around (L)GPL  
could definitely play its role as a high barrier to entry. Although  
there are notable exceptions - JGoodies uses BSD license.

Finally I have no idea why people are so afraid to contribute to  
Apache. There are no barriers, except for the ones that any  
established project would have, namely that the people involved in  
the project value their reputation built over the years, and  
therefore require new contributors to go through the karma building  
process, before giving them write access. I think that's very  


On Nov 3, 2007, at 7:23 PM, Mike Kienenberger wrote:

> There's nothing stopping you from forking a branch of DataViews.
> However, you cannot change the license to LGPL.
> On 11/3/07, Demetrios Kyriakis <>  
> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Since the Cayenne team is not very interested in DataViews, but  
>> many users
>> are, the most simple solution to me looks to move DataViews to a  
>> place where
>> users can contribute much easier.
>> Because of it's "patch" based contribution restriction, and  
>> especially of
>> the long list of incompatible "licenses", I'm not sure if  
>> is the
>> best place to get help from users with as few as possible "barriers".
>> Also an important step would be to switch the license from Apache  
>> to LGPL.
>> It seems that the Apache license is not too GUI friendly: just  
>> looks how few
>> projects on have GUI's and how many good GUI oriented  
>> libraries
>> or tools are LGPL.
>> Any other ideas on what could be done to re-invigorate DataViews?
>> Thank you,
>> Demetrios.
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