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From Kant Kodali <k...@peernova.com>
Subject Re: Why does Cassandra recommends Oracle JVM instead of OpenJDK?
Date Thu, 22 Dec 2016 17:09:58 GMT
I would agree with Eric with his following statement. In fact, I was trying
to say the same thing.

"I don't really have any opinions on Oracle per say, but Cassandra is a
Free Software project and I would prefer that we not depend on
commercial software, (and that's kind of what we have here, an
implicit dependency)."

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 3:09 AM, Brice Dutheil <brice.dutheil@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Pretty much a non-story, it seems like.
>
> Clickbait imho. Search ‘The Register’ in this wikipedia page
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Potentially_unreliable_sources#News_media>
>
> @Ben Manes
>
> Agreed, OpenJDK and Oracle JDK are now pretty close, but there is still
> some differences in the VM code and third party dependencies like security
> libraries. Maybe that’s fine for some productions, but maybe not for
> everyone.
>
> Also another thing, while OpenJDK source is available to all, I don’t
> think all OpenJDK builds have been certified with the TCK. For example the
> Zulu OpenJDK is, as Azul have access to the TCK and certifies
> <https://www.azul.com/products/zulu/> the builds. Another example OpenJDK
> build installed on RHEL is certified
> <https://access.redhat.com/articles/1299013>. Canonical probably is
> running TCK comliance tests as well on thei OpenJDK 8 since they are listed
> on the signatories
> <http://openjdk.java.net/groups/conformance/JckAccess/jck-access.html>
> but not sure as I couldn’t find evidence on this; on this signatories list
> again there’s an individual – Emmanuel Bourg – who is related to Debian
> <https://lists.debian.org/debian-java/2015/01/msg00015.html> (linkedin
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/ebourg>), but not sure again the TCK is
> passed for each build.
>
> Bad OpenJDK intermediary builds, i.e without TCK compliance tests, is a
> reality
> <https://github.com/docker-library/openjdk/commit/00a9c5c080f2a5fd1510bc0716db7afe06cbd017>
> .
>
> While the situation has enhanced over the past months I’ll still double
> check before using any OpenJDK builds.
> ​
>
> -- Brice
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Voytek Jarnot <voytek.jarnot@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Reading that article the only conclusion I can reach (unless I'm
>> misreading) is that all the stuff that was never free is still not free -
>> the change is that Oracle may actually be interested in the fact that some
>> are using non-free products for free.
>>
>> Pretty much a non-story, it seems like.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:55 PM, Kant Kodali <kant@peernova.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Looking at this http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/16/oracle_targets_
>>> java_users_non_compliance/?mt=1481919461669 I don't know why Cassandra
>>> recommends Oracle JVM?
>>>
>>> JVM is a great piece of software but I would like to stay away from
>>> Oracle as much as possible. Oracle is just horrible the way they are
>>> dealing with Java in General.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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