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From Ryan Svihla <rsvi...@datastax.com>
Subject Re: batch_size_warn_threshold_in_kb
Date Fri, 12 Dec 2014 13:11:21 GMT
It's a rough observation and estimate, nothing more. In other words, some
clusters can handle more, some can't, it depends on how many writes per
second you're doing, cluster sizing, how far over that 5kb limit you are,
heap size, disk IO, cpu speed, and many more factors. This is why it's just
a warning and not an error, and it's something that's changeable.

There is no one perfect answer here, but I can safely say in practice with
today's hardware, I've not seen many clusters work well with more than 5kb
writes.


On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 1:12 AM, Mohammed Guller <mohammed@glassbeam.com>
wrote:
>
>  Ryan,
>
> Thanks for the quick response.
>
>
>
> I did see that jira before posting my question on this list. However, I
> didn’t see any information about why 5kb+ data will cause instability. 5kb
> or even 50kb seems too small. For example, if each mutation is 1000+ bytes,
> then with just 5 mutations, you will hit that threshold.
>
>
>
> In addition, Patrick is saying that he does not recommend more than 100
> mutations per batch. So why not warn users just on the # of mutations in a
> batch?
>
>
>
> Mohammed
>
>
>
> *From:* Ryan Svihla [mailto:rsvihla@datastax.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2014 12:56 PM
> *To:* user@cassandra.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: batch_size_warn_threshold_in_kb
>
>
>
> Nothing magic, just put in there based on experience. You can find the
> story behind the original recommendation here
>
>
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-6487
>
>
>
> Key reasoning for the desire comes from Patrick McFadden:
>
>
> "Yes that was in bytes. Just in my own experience, I don't recommend more
> than ~100 mutations per batch. Doing some quick math I came up with 5k as
> 100 x 50 byte mutations.
>
> Totally up for debate."
>
>
>
> It's totally changeable, however, it's there in no small part because so
> many people confuse the BATCH keyword as a performance optimization, this
> helps flag those cases of misuse.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Mohammed Guller <mohammed@glassbeam.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi –
>
> The cassandra.yaml file has property called *batch_size_warn_threshold_in_kb.
> *
>
> The default size is 5kb and according to the comments in the yaml file, it
> is used to log WARN on any batch size exceeding this value in kilobytes. It
> says caution should be taken on increasing the size of this threshold as it
> can lead to node instability.
>
>
>
> Does anybody know the significance of this magic number 5kb? Why would a
> higher number (say 10kb) lead to node instability?
>
>
>
> Mohammed
>
>
>
>
> --
>
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>
> Ryan Svihla
>
> Solution Architect
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
>
>


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DataStax is the fastest, most scalable distributed database technology,
delivering Apache Cassandra to the world’s most innovative enterprises.
Datastax is built to be agile, always-on, and predictably scalable to any
size. With more than 500 customers in 45 countries, DataStax is the
database technology and transactional backbone of choice for the worlds
most innovative companies such as Netflix, Adobe, Intuit, and eBay.

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