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From Jabbar Azam <>
Subject Re: Re[2]: Redundancy inside a cassandra node
Date Sat, 08 Nov 2014 17:42:33 GMT
With regards to money I think it's always a good idea to find a cost
effective solution. The problem is different people have different
interpretations of what cost effectiveness means. I'm referring to my
organisation. ;). I'm sure it happens in other organisations. Biases,
politics, experience, how stuff is currently done dictates how new
solutions are created.

I think the idea of not using redundancy, goes against current thinking
unfortunately. Especially not using raid 10. I think the problem may be due
to lack of know how of dev ops and tools like cobbler and ansible, chef and
puppet.. I'm working on this, but it's hard work doing this in my spare

Do you build your own nodes, or use a well known brand like Dell or HP.
Dell recommended R720 nodes for the cassandra nodes or the R320 nodes.

We have built our own dev nodes from "consumer grade" kit but becuase they
have no redundancy they are not taken seriously for production nodes.
They're not rack mount, which is a big no with respect to the IT department.


Jabbar Azam

On 8 November 2014 12:31, Plotnik, Alexey <> wrote:

>  Let me speak from my heart. I maintenance 200+TB Cassandra cluster. The
> problem is money. If your IT people have a $$$ they can deploy Cassandra on
> super robust hardware with triple power supply of course. But why then you
> need Cassandra? Only for scalability?
> The idea of high available clusters is to get robustness from availability
> (not from hardware reliability). More availability (more nodes) you have -
> more money you need to buy hardware. Cassandra is the most high available
> system on the planet - it scaled horizontally to any number of nodes. You
> have time series data, you can set replication factor > 3 if needed.
> There is a concept of network topology in Cassandra - you can specify on
> which *failure domain* (racks or independent power lines) your nodes
> installed on, and then replication will be computed correspondingly to
> store replicas of a specified data on a different failure domains. The same
> is for DC - there is a concept of data center in Cassandra topology, it
> knows about your data centers.
> You should think not about hardware but about your data model - is
> Cassandra applicable for you domain? Thinks about queries to your
> data. Cassandra is actually a key value storage (documentation says it's a
> column based storage, but it's just an CQL-abstraction over key and binary
> value, nothing special except counters) so be very careful in designing
> your data model.
> Anyway, let me answer your original question:
> > what do people use in the real world in terms of node resiliancy when
> running a cassandra cluster?
> Nothing because Cassandra is high available system. They use SSDs if they
> need speed. They do not use Raid10 on the node, they don't use dual power
> as well, because it's not cheap in cluster of many nodes and have no sense
> because reliability is ensured by replication in large clusters. Not sure
> about dual NICs, network reliability is ensured by distributing your
> cluster across multiple data centers.
> We're using single SSD and single HDD on each node (we symlink some CF
> folders to other disk). SSD for CFs where we need low latency, HDD for
> binary data. If one of them fails, replication save us and we have
> time to deploy new node and load data from replicas with Cassandra repair
> feature back to original node. And we have no problem with it, node fail
> sometimes, but it doesn't affect customers. That is.
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Jabbar Azam" <>
> To: "" <>
> Sent: 08.11.2014 19:43:18
> Subject: Re: Redundancy inside a cassandra node
> Hello Alexey,
> The node count is 20 per site and there will be two sites. RF=3. But since
> the software isn't complete and the database code is going through a
> rewrite we aren't sure about space requirements. The node count is only a
> guess, bases on the number of dev nodes in use. We will have better
> information when the rewrite is done and testing resumes.
> The data will be time series data. It was binary blobs originally but we
> have found that the new datastax c# drivers have improved alot in terms of
> read performance.
> I'm curious. What is your definition of commodity. My IT people seem to
> think that the servers must be super robust. Personally I'm not sure if
> that should be the case.
> The node
>  Thanks
> Jabbar Azam
> On 8 November 2014 02:56, Plotnik, Alexey <> wrote:
>> Cassandra is a cluster itself, it's not necessary to have redundant each
>> node. Cassandra has replication for that. And also Cassandra is designed to
>> run in multiple data center - am think that redundant policy is applicable
>> for you. Only thing from your saying you can deploy is raid10, other don't
>> make any sense. As you are in stage of designing you cluster, please
>> provide some numbers: how many data will be stored on each node, how many
>> nodes would you have? What type of data will be stored in cluster: binary
>> object o something time series?
>> Cassandra is designed to run on commodity hardware.
>> Отправлено с iPad
>> > 8 нояб. 2014 г., в 6:26, Jabbar Azam <> написал(а):
>>  >
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> > My work will be deploying a cassandra cluster next year. Due to
>> internal wrangling we can't seem to agree on the hardware. The software
>> hasn't been finished, but management are asking for a ballpark figure for
>> the hardware costs.
>> >
>> > The problem is the IT team are saying the nodes need to have multiple
>> points of redundancy
>> >
>> > e.g. dual power supplies, dual nics, SSD's configured in raid 10.
>> >
>> >
>> > The software team is saying that due to cassandras resilient nature,
>> due to the way data is distributed and scalability that lots of cheap boes
>> should be used. So they have been taling about self build consumer grade
>> boxes with single nics, PSU's single SSDs etc.
>> >
>> > Obviously the self build boxes will cost a fraction of the price, but
>> each box is not as resilient as the first option.
>> >
>> > We don;t use any cloud technologies, so that's out of the question.
>> >
>> > My question is what do people use in the real world in terms of node
>> resiliancy when running a cassandra cluster?
>> >
>> > Write now the team is only thinking of hosting cassandra on the nodes.
>> I'll see if I can twist their arms and see the light with Apache Spark.
>> >
>> > Obviously there are other tiers of servers, but they won't be running
>> cassandra.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Jabbar Azam

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