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From San Luoji <sanlu...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Moderation
Date Fri, 04 Nov 2016 22:08:38 GMT
Reading this, all I can think of is this:
http://time.com/money/4436630/donald-trump-career-advice-apologies/

On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Chris Mattmann <mattmann@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi Russ,
>
> Sorry that you feel that way. I’m happy to be the villain when it comes to
> protecting
> those same ideals you cite regarding Apache in your below thread. You see
> I’ve been
> around since 2004 and elected by the membership to the Board for the last
> three years
> based on merit, and contributions towards those ideals over a decade of
> the ASF.
> I’ve been around longer than Apache Cassandra and this community and fully
> intend
> for that to continue. My job is not to only care about Cassandra. It’s to
> ensure that the
> ASF is a vendor neutral ground for ALL of its projects. You see I actually
> understand and
> have read what’s required of me to serve the membership of the ASF and its
> communities.
> I take this VERY seriously. Perhaps more than you know.
>
> You see the other problem with your complaint about me – is that
> unfortunately you
> do not have a voice to act on that complaint. You won’t have a vote in the
> next Apache
> Board election. You won’t have a vote in the next Members election. And
> *that* is
> the rub. I wouldn’t even care if you did or not and you voted against me
> on the ballot.
> If the Apache Cassandra PMC or community cared enough about you or your
> contributions
> to the project, you would have been made a committer, or PMC member, long
> ago, and
> heck you would have even had a chance to become an ASF member where you
> could do
> more than simply voice your displeasure with my actions, you would be able
> to vote with
> your feet against my tyranny of trying to make this project’s management
> committee
> understand their responsibilities for the ASF. I don’t even consider your
> requests to have
> me vilified in front of the Board something that would disqualify you for
> membership in
> the PMC or committee. If you have been making contributions, even
> discussion threads,
> answering questions, etc., to the point of your prior emails including
> this one – why haven’t
> you been elected to have a binding voice within the project? Please ask
> yourself that.
>
> In fact, please ask yourself – what is a “Cassandra MVP” compared to a
> member of the
> ASF which is home to the project? Also please go look at all the people
> I’ve been privy and
> voted on granting membership to within the foundation since 2011, go look
> at some of the
> functioning and healthy projects that don’t have a problem with vendor
> neutrality at the
> ASF, and *then* come and talk to me about how my professional and
> character isn’t such
> to stand on the board of the ASF. Again, I’ll wait.
>
> If it’s a hostile request to ask that a potentially inflammatory Twitter
> discussion that I attempted
> to bring about to the *source of the project’s discussion here at the ASF*
> and for a mail summarizing
> that Twitter discussion to be moderated through within 12 hours, and
> for the PMC of an Apache project to understand its commitments regarding
> having
> geographically diverse moderators for their Apache lists; and if it’s a
> hostile request to
> ask that all members of the community including those non committers
> and/or PMC
> that take to Twitter to voice their concerns when they are not sure of
> even where the
> canonical discussion for the project is have a voice here on the canonical
> lists for the project
> then there is something fundamentally wrong with the community. I will
> assert again based
> on my reading of the facts including archives, code, discussions here and
> outside of the ASF, abuse
> of trademarks, vendor non-neutrality, tea leaves and the collective WHOLE
> of those things that my initial
> request to bring the conversation on list -  that was met with the usual
> random drive by vitriol and my follow
> up asking how in the bleeping world there were at least 3 emails
> questioning whether or not an email
> should be moderated though - was warranted.
>
> I state this as someone who has seen Apache projects come and go and will
> continue to see that, even ones at the same level of interest as Cassandra
> (and much
> much more too as well). If it’s hostile for a Board member to drive the
> discussions to
> the mailing list instead of outside sources, then my apologies for my
> hostility. You will
> continue to get that apology as I continue to do my job and what I signed
> up to do as an
> ASF board member in terms of maintaining that vendor neutrality,
> irrespective of whether
> or not people don’t like my directness, frankness, and discussion.
>
> Chris
>
> On 11/4/16, 1:09 PM, "Russell Bradberry" <rbradberry@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>        - ... we are arguing whether to f'ing moderate it through. Wow.
> Great
>        job.
>        - Do you think it's healthy to send emails trying to talk shit
> instead
>        of ...
>        - ... project? Or is Twitter the official list now? Go ahead, I'll
> wait.
>
>
>     Given your behavior and rhetoric on this thread, I believe you lack the
>     professionalism and character to be a board member of anything, let
> alone
>     representing the Apache Software Foundation and it's ideals. I've CC'd
> the
>     rest of the Apache board because I would like to formally complain
> about
>     your divisive rhetoric and overall unprofessional conduct within this
>     mailing list.
>
>     This list, and community, are made up of individuals and volunteers. I
>     believe, attacking them, even though you believe you may have been
>     attacked, detracts from the conversation and elevates tension in an
> already
>     tense community.  I encourage others to chime in if I am misreading
> here. I
>     personally feel that someone acting in a leadership capacity, such as a
>     board member, should be held to a higher standard of professionalism
> and
>     conduct when doing business; whether it is with their board member hat
> on
>     or not.  I would hate for it to be assumed that the entire Apache board
>     encourages, promotes, or even acts in this manner.
>
>     -Russ
>
>
>
>     On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 1:18 PM Mattmann, Chris A (3010) <
>     chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
>     > Mark Thomas got it done ✅
>     >
>     > Sent from my iPhone
>     >
>     > > On Nov 4, 2016, at 10:13 AM, Jason Brown <jasedbrown@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>     > >
>     > > s/sis/is
>     > >
>     > >> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Jason Brown <
> jasedbrown@gmail.com>
>     > wrote:
>     > >>
>     > >> Chris,
>     > >>
>     > >> Yes, I would like to be added, and here sis the ticket I filed:
>     > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-12858.
>     > >>
>     > >> Thanks,
>     > >>
>     > >> -Jason
>     > >>
>     > >> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Chris Mattmann <
> mattmann@apache.org>
>     > >> wrote:
>     > >>
>     > >>> I have apmail karma and can add moderators.
>     > >>>
>     > >>> Jason I can add you - please confirm you would like to be added.
> Did
>     > you
>     > >>> file the ticket - if so point me to it. If you haven't yet, no
> worries
>     > I
>     > >>> can still add you. Let me know. Thanks.
>     > >>>
>     > >>>> On 2016-11-04 09:54 (-0700), Jason Brown <jasedbrown@gmail.com>
>     > wrote:
>     > >>>> Gary,
>     > >>>>
>     > >>>> I've just started looking into the moderator component due
to
> this
>     > >>> thread;
>     > >>>> I admit I did not know about it before (my fault). Yes, I would
> like
>     > to
>     > >>> be
>     > >>>> added. Apparently, I need to file an INFRA ticket (as per
>     > >>>> https://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html#mailing-list-
> moderators),
>     > >>> which
>     > >>>> I will do in the next few minutes.
>     > >>>>
>     > >>>> -Jason
>     > >>>>
>     > >>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Gary Dusbabek <
> gdusbabek@gmail.com>
>     > >>> wrote:
>     > >>>>
>     > >>>>> I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the only one with moderator
> privs. Any
>     > >>> other
>     > >>>>> committer/PMCs interested?
>     > >>>>>
>     > >>>>> Sorry, it's a chore to begin with and I've been traveling
this
> week.
>     > >>>>>
>     > >>>>> Gary.
>     > >>>>>
>     > >>>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Chris Mattmann <
> mattmann@apache.org>
>     > >>>>> wrote:
>     > >>>>>
>     > >>>>>> Hi Folks,
>     > >>>>>>
>     > >>>>>> Kelly Sommers sent a message to dev@cassandra and I'm
trying
> to
>     > >>> figure
>     > >>>>>> out if it's in moderation.
>     > >>>>>>
>     > >>>>>> Can the moderators speak up?
>     > >>>>>>
>     > >>>>>> Cheers,
>     > >>>>>> Chris
>     > >>>>>>
>     > >>>>>>
>     > >>>>>
>     > >>>>
>     > >>>
>     > >>
>     > >>
>     >
>
>
>
>

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