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From Matthieu Riou <>
Subject Re: Graduation?
Date Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:25:31 GMT
My take (and that's just my personal opinion) is that you should gear for
graduation as is and confront the shitstorm :) All arguments have been heard
and while there are good ones on both sides, nobody has convinced anyone.
The underlying idea that the IPMC could enforce a practice that's not
necessarily valid for a given project or at least has not been really proven
to be A Good Thing, even within Apache, is plain wrong if you ask me.

Worst case you get a -1 a can try again later. It happened before, it's
painful but not the end of the world either.


On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Eric Evans <> wrote:

> On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 13:09 +0000, ant elder wrote:
> > > That being said, I don't think anyone in the "should be frowned
> > > upon" camp were swayed, and we have to do what the IPMC tells us
> > > to (if we want to graduate), so what choice do we have?
> >
> > The IPMC doesn't like telling poddlings what to do, they like them to
> > work things out for themselves.
> I understand what you're saying, and I honestly believe that the
> structure put in place and the the people involved are well-meaning, but
> the simple fact of that matter is that the IPMC is in a position of
> power over this project.
> > The question was asked and people gave they views, and some sounded
> > like strongly held views. No one said they would -1 a graduation vote
> > but that may just be because thats not what the question on general@
> > asked. You could ask that specific question, or you could just hold a
> > graduation vote to see. Or you could first try to appease those not in
> > favour of RTC by trying to make some changes
> ... and say that we worked it out for ourselves? :)
> >  - could CTR be tried for a while to see how it goes? Or try CTR for
> > just non-critical bits of code, or only for smaller changes? Maybe it
> > will work now, but if it doesn't you can at least then say look we
> > tried but it doesn't work for this project.
> We are using CTR for minor non-intrusive changes, build, scripts,
> documentation, etc.
> --
> Eric Evans

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