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From Matthieu Riou <>
Subject Re: Graduation?
Date Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:53:19 GMT
On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Ian Holsman <> wrote:

> I don't think there is any policy or standard about RTC or CTR.
> different groups do different things, depending on the community.
> so I don't see this as a hang up for graduation.
Me neither, hence my question. What puzzles me is that it's mostly a
technical decision not really tied to a community health criteria, so a
priori unrelated to graduation. Or it's just a clever plan from Paul to see
what kind of discussion would arise from his objection :)


> On Nov 6, 2009, at 10:57 AM, Roland Dreier wrote:
>  I do think there should be room for individual discretion here.  If
>>> you have a trivial change, just commit it and be done.  But in
>>> general, I think the extra care of RTC is usually worth it for us.  I
>>> see reviews becoming a lot more perfunctory / not happening at all if
>>> we just commit first.  (Just about all my experience has been in CTR
>>> projects, both closed and OSS.  This isn't just a theoretical concern,
>>> DESPITE the best of intentions that "we'll do reviews, promise.")
>> This gets to my central question, which I would be really happy to
>> have answered by a CTR proponent.  How do you make sure that changes
>> *ever* get reviewed, since CTR seems to operate on lazy consensus ("if
>> you object to this change, speak up")?  *everyone* would rather write
>> code rather than review someone else's changes, so it seems that the
>> quantity of changes going in is always going to exceed the amount of
>> review being done, leading to an ever-growing review backlog.
>> I just don't see how CTR can scale to a big project.  It might scale
>> to a big codebase, if each piece has only one or a few committers
>> touching it, but when a lot of people are all working on the same
>> stuff, I wonder how anything will get reviewed in time.
>> (FWIW, my background is pretty much exclusively in RTC projects such
>> as the Linux kernel)
>> - R.
> --
> Ian Holsman

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