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From Matthieu Riou <matthieu.r...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Website [WAS Re: Wiki]
Date Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:28:28 GMT
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Matthieu Riou <matthieu.riou@gmail.com>wrote:

> So let's put it this way: anybody fundamentally against using Forrest for
> the website and opening up Confluence to the whole community (as long as you
> signup) as the standard wiki?
>

If nobody yells by Wednesday, I'll go ahead and open up Confluence. Feel
free to remind me if I forget :)

Matthieu


>
> Matthieu
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Avinash Lakshman <
> avinash.lakshman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I had started putting together something on the Confluence WIKI. Not sure
>> how it fits together on the big scheme of things.
>> Avinash
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Johan Oskarsson <johan@oskarsson.nu>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > We now have a first version of the site running:
>> > http://incubator.apache.org/cassandra
>> >
>> > However, Matthieu commented on the wiki ticket here:
>> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-15
>> > that he wants a decision on the site's future before moving on.
>> >
>> > The two options as far as I know:
>> >
>> > 1. Store the site and any source material in svn, publish to the
>> > apache.org site. It could be raw html, forrest xml+generated html, a
>> > script that generates html or something similar.
>> >
>> > 2. Use a wiki as the site. Confluence?
>> >
>> >
>> > Personally I prefer option 1, so we can accept website patches from
>> anyone
>> > and leave the wiki as a publicly editable place for everyone to share
>> > information.
>> >
>> > I don't care if we use Forrest or not for the site, it was just an easy
>> way
>> > to get started and a lot of Apache projects use it already. If option 1
>> is
>> > chosen we can discuss what tool to use later.
>> >
>> > What does everyone think? Should we initiate a vote about it?
>> >
>> > /Johan
>> >
>> >
>> > Sandeep Tata wrote:
>> >
>> >> I think the Forrest site is great to start with. If you check it into
>> >> the repository, others will be able to contribute patches much like
>> >> code and the burden of building up the website will not fall on just
>> >> the committers.
>> >>
>> >> A publicly editable wiki might work too, but if only the committers
>> >> have edit permissions -- much of the work for building the site falls
>> >> on them. We want to quickly get to a point where the committers can
>> >> review patches and guide the community in adding value to the code.
>> >> Not be bogged down in editing websites :)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Matthieu Riou <
>> matthieu.riou@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Avinash Lakshman <
>> >>> avinash.lakshman@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>  I guess. Isn't that easier? Is there something else that is the norm?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  No norm, just several different options. I personally like when
the
>> >>> source
>> >>> used to generate the site can be checked in the repository but that's
>> >>> mostly
>> >>> a matter of taste. This for example is generated with Forrest:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://ant.apache.org/
>> >>> http://lucene.apache.org/
>> >>>
>> >>> This is generated by a set of Ruby scripts from Textile files:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://buildr.apache.org/
>> >>>
>> >>> And this is generated from Confluence using custom templates:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://geronimo.apache.org/
>> >>> http://ode.apache.org/
>> >>>
>> >>> FWIW, a Forrest site has already been contributed so that could be
>> used
>> >>> to
>> >>> start with until a sexier option is implemented?
>> >>>
>> >>> Matthieu
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>  Avinash
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Matthieu Riou <
>> >>>> matthieu.riou@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Avinash Lakshman <
>> >>>>> avinash.lakshman@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  I just got myself added as an "Author" maybe couple of days
ago. I
>> >>>>>> will
>> >>>>>> start working on it. But there are other things too on my
plate. I
>> >>>>>> will
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> get
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> around to it soon
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>  So does that mean that you plan to use the wiki as a website?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Matthieu
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  Avinash
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Sandeep Tata <
>> sandeep.tata@gmail.com
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> Prashant, Avinash, Jiansheng...
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Any update on the website?
>> >>>>>>> It has been several weeks since the project got into
the
>> incubator,
>> >>>>>>> but we still don't seem to have a website.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I think using Johan's Forrest generate site to start
with is a
>> good
>> >>>>>>> idea. Are you guys considering anything else? What's
holding us
>> up?
>> >>>>>>> Do
>> >>>>>>> you need any help with this?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Sandeep
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Matthieu Riou <
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> matthieu.riou@gmail.com
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Johan Oskarsson
<
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> johan@oskarsson.nu
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>  Ok, I understand.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On the topic of website I have suggested and
created a basic
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Forrest
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> generated site here:
>> >>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-2
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>  Nice!
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>  No response from any of the committers on the jira
or on the
>> lists
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> yet
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> though.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>  I believe they weren't subscribed yet :) So
what do other folks
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> think
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> about
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> the website and using Forrest at least to get started?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>>>>> Matthieu
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>  /Johan
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Matthieu Riou wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Johan
Oskarsson <
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> johan@oskarsson.nu
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>  Out of curiosity is there a reason to use
a wiki without
>> public
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> edit
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> access? Apache Hadoop, for example, have had one that
is
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> editable
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> by
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> anyone and they have not had any problems afaik. On
the contrary
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> believe a lot of useful updates wouldn't happen with a wiki
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> restricted
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> to committers only.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>  I've started this way just because
I don't know how the wiki
>> is
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> going
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> be
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> used by the project yet.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Some projects use the Confluence wiki as
their website and even
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> bundle
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> it
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> as
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> part of their distribution. In that context,
only committers
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> should
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> be
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> able
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> to contribute. I don't think it's the case
for Hadoop, they
>> have
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> separate
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Forrest-generated website.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> So depending on how the wiki is going to
be used and how the
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Apache
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Casssandra website will be built, we can decide to have
it work
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> either
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> way.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>>>>>>> Matthieu
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>  /Johan
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Matthieu Riou wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've just created a new Confluence
space for Cassandra,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Avinash's
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> planning
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to use it and most projects find
it handy anyway. If other
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> committers
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> want
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> edit access to it, please send me
your Confluence user name.
>> If
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> you
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> don't
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> have one yet, just register there:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Matthieu
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >
>>
>
>

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