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From "Benedict (JIRA)" <j...@apache.org>
Subject [jira] [Comment Edited] (CASSANDRA-8732) Make inter-node timeouts tolerate clock skew and drift
Date Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:03:12 GMT

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Benedict edited comment on CASSANDRA-8732 at 2/18/15 12:02 PM:
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Another possibility is to apply a "maximal skew correction" which is to take apply the minimal
latency calculated for any message over the past minute, and apply this correction to all
messages. So let's say we have messages M[0..N) arrive over a minute, with each having the
associated S, T and R. We can calculate the maximal skew as !maximalskew.png!, which we set
to _MaxSkew_, and we then, for instance, simply take S+_MaxSkew_+T as the timeout.

This would bound the network (and GC) delay impact to the minimal such delay in the measured
horizon, which should make it very manageable (and if not there are bigger problems)

The important thing here is we can play with these approaches however we like once we start
sending the data over the wire, which we should aim to do in 3.0 IMO.


was (Author: benedict):
Another possibility is to apply a "maximal skew correction" which is to take apply the minimal
latency calculated for any message over the past minute, and apply this correction to all
messages. So let's say we have messages M[0..N) arrive over a minute, with each having the
associated S, T and R. We can calculate the maximal skew as !maximalskew.png!, which we set
to _MaxSkew_, and we then, for instance, simply take S+_MaxSkew_+T as the timeout.

This would bound the network (and GC) delay impact to the minimal such delay in the measured
horizon, which should make it very manageable (and if not there are bigger problems)

> Make inter-node timeouts tolerate clock skew and drift
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: CASSANDRA-8732
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-8732
>             Project: Cassandra
>          Issue Type: Improvement
>            Reporter: Ariel Weisberg
>         Attachments: maximalskew.png
>
>
> Right now internode timeouts rely on currentTimeMillis() (and NTP) to make sure that
tasks don't expire before they arrive.
> Every receiver needs to deduce the offset between its nanoTime and the remote nanoTime.
I don't think currentTimeMillis is a good choice because it is designed to be manipulated
by operators and NTP. I would probably be comfortable assuming that nanoTime isn't going to
move in significant ways without something that could be classified as operator error happening.
> I suspect the one timing method you can rely on being accurate is nanoTime within a node
(on average) and that a node can report on its own scheduling jitter (on average).
> Finding the offset requires knowing what the network latency is in one direction.
> One way to do this would be to periodically send a ping request which generates a series
of ping responses at fixed intervals (maybe by UDP?). The responses should corrected for scheduling
jitter since the fixed intervals may not be exactly achieved by the sender. By measuring the
time deviation between ping responses and their expected arrival time (based on the interval)
and correcting for the remotely reported scheduling jitter, you should be able to measure
latency in one direction.
> A weighted moving average (only correct for drift, not readjustment) of these measurements
would eventually converge on a close answer and would not be impacted by outlier measurements.
It may also make sense to drop the largest N samples to improve accuracy.
> One you know network latency you can add that to the timestamp of each ping and compare
to the local clock and know what the offset is.
> These measurements won't calculate the offset to be too small (timeouts fire early),
but could calculate the offset to be too large (timeouts fire late). The conditions where
you the offset won't be accurate are the conditions where you also want them firing reliably.
This and bootstrapping in bad conditions is what I am most uncertain of.



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