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From Claus Ibsen <>
Subject Re: JMS Component WITHOUT Spring
Date Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:23:09 GMT
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 5:17 PM, James Strachan
<> wrote:
> On 19 July 2010 22:12, Ron Smith <> wrote:
>> I'm with you, Jim. I think that is part of why others at my company consider
>> spring to be "evil" -- for a "light-weight" framework, there sure are a lot
>> of pieces you have to include and they seem to be growing and becoming more
>> intertwined with each new release.
> FWIW in the old days, you'd just depend on "spring.jar". The problem
> appears worse now that each spring jar is highly modular.

Unfortunately spring 3.0.x no longer ships an uber jar in maven repos.
So we can't just include spring-3.0.3.jar in the release kit.

>> Like you, I'm not griping, it just seems
>> like everything in the java open-source world is starting to depend on
>> everything else in the java open-source world.
> If you really don't want to depend on spring and your JMS requirements
> are quite simple (e.g. you don't want pooling of
> producers/sessions/connections, you don't want transactions,
> reconnection/retry, concurrent consuming and are happy to work on,
> say, JMS 1.1 only) it would be quite easy to create a JMS component &
> endpoint which just used the JMS API and did not use Spring at all.
> I agree the Spring JMS stuff looks like it has quite a lot of
> dependencies (though part of that is due to its been decoupled into
> many jars) - all of which is out of our control. But until someone
> comes along with a leaner & meaner library which offers similar
> features I don't see much alternative.
> Unless someone (Ron? Jim?) fancies volunteering to write a lean & mean
> alternative folks can use if they want to use JMS but not reuse the
> spring jars.
> Another alternative Ron/Jim - use uberjar to slap all the spring-jms /
> camel-jms / camel stuff together so you only have "camel-all.jar" to
> worry about :)
> --
> James
> -------
> Open Source Integration

Claus Ibsen
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