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From David Karlsen <davidkarl...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Date Sat, 31 Oct 2015 13:42:31 GMT
https://github.com/camel-extra/camel-extra

2015-10-31 14:01 GMT+01:00 Krzysztof Sobkowiak <krzys.sobkowiak@gmail.com>:
> Hi JB
>
> I have seen the discussion that Camel Extras is going to move to Github. I thought it's
done already. Have you already final descision about Camel Extras? I have seen discussion
on ComDev about moving to SF but the projects will be not forced to move together to SF. As
i have seen Camel prefers Github. I'm looking for
> instructions how to migrate the svn repo to git and I thought Camel has already finished
this process.
>
> Kindly regards
> Krzysztof
>
> On 31.10.2015 13:43, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>> Hi Krysztof,
>>
>> camel-extras are not on github right. I've done some cleanups and upgrades.
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On 10/29/2015 08:15 PM, Krzysztof Sobkowiak wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Have you already performed the migration to Github? Have you done it alone? I
assume Infra doesn't support this process?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Krzysztof
>>>
>>> On 17.09.2015 21:00, Pontus Ullgren wrote:
>>>> I believe changing the package name would be a real problem for users of
>>>> the library.
>>>>
>>>> Not sure why we can not continue to use that package name since according
>>>> to the answers Raul got on the com-dev mailinglist [1] it is up to each
>>>> projects PMC to decide how there extras project should be handled.
>>>> So if the Camel PMC decided that the Camel Extras source code should be
>>>> hosted on github I do not see any problem to keep the package name as is.
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>>> // Pontus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 at 13:57 Christian Müller <christian.mueller@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm also not happy with the support/guidance from dev@community regarding
>>>>> this topic and +1 to move to Github now. I'm not convinced from SF.
>>>>>
>>>>> Before we are releasing our first release there, please check with the
>>>>> Apache trademarks first, whether you can still use the name "Camel Extra"
>>>>> or not. The same for the package name (it has apache and camel in it),
>>>>> because this project doesn't belong to Apache Extra anymore in the future,
>>>>> in my opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Christian
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 17.09.2015 10:43 schrieb "Raul Kripalani" <raul@evosent.com>:
>>>>>> Agree. From my point of view, if the Camel extras community feels
>>>>>> comfortable with Github, then go for it. It seems like the joint
Apache
>>>>>> Extras effort has somewhat disintegrated anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We did our part: having a discussion there and sharing our concerns
at
>>>>>> dev@community. So I'm happy with how we dealt with this issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let us know when it's done so we can update the links on the Apache
Camel
>>>>>> website.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Raúl.
>>>>>> On 17 Sep 2015 07:50, "Pontus Ullgren" <ullgren@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello again,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I tried to reach out to com-dev beginning this month[1] and
it seems
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be a dead end.
>>>>>>> Some answers[2] even suggest that it is up to the PMCs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So in line of the two previous votes[3] [4] I think we should
go ahead
>>>>> and
>>>>>>> continue the move to github.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCABe1WL-mcFvPUmUwjLXmgLUOSSQUrhT5z7Adj2WPVS8NwSQnuA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>>>>>> [3]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C1391078472.16070484.1428686018450.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
>>>>>>> [4]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C301126299.246793.1429101018000.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 19:54 Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While I personally think that is github is superior to what
SF offers
>>>>>>>> (and that bitbucket is superior to github) for camel-extra
I don't
>>>>> think
>>>>>>>> the choice of hosting company is that big a deal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Camel-Extra currently uses
>>>>>>>> * Mailing list provided by nabble (
>>>>>>>> http://camel-extra.1091541.n5.nabble.com/)
>>>>>>>> * Jenkins provided by cloudbees (
>>>>> https://camel-extra.ci.cloudbees.com/
>>>>> )
>>>>>>>> * SonarQube provided by SonarQube (
>>>>>>>> http://nemo.sonarqube.org/dashboard/index/564228)
>>>>>>>> * Jira for issues provided by Atlassian (
>>>>>>>> https://camel-extra.atlassian.net/browse/CAMEX)
>>>>>>>> * End user component documentations are hosted on the main
camel
>>>>> project
>>>>>>>> wiki
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So even back when we where on google code the only thing
that it was
>>>>> used
>>>>>>>> for was to
>>>>>>>> provide a wiki for some project specific documentation such
as
>>>>> release
>>>>>>>> notes and most important
>>>>>>>> the GIT repo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So as long as the service provider provides git, a simple
way of
>>>>> hosting
>>>>>>>> some documentation and
>>>>>>>> has a good reputation of keeping a good uptime on the service
in my
>>>>>>>> opinion it is not that big a deal
>>>>>>>> where or what is hosting it. The important thing is that
we get this
>>>>> up
>>>>>>>> read-write ASAP.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just my $0.02
>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 17:59 Raul Kripalani <raul@evosent.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Rob,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think camel-extras belongs to the Apache Extras [1]
umbrella...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That said, I'm not quite sure what's the point of grouping
all
>>>>> "extras"
>>>>>>>>> from all projects under a common ASF umbrella – I'm
assuming it's
>>>>> for
>>>>>>> ASF
>>>>>>>>> organisational reasons. It definitely doesn't serve a
technical
>>>>> reason
>>>>>>> nor
>>>>>>>>> an administrative one: (a) each Extras project is more
closely
>>>>> related
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> the parent than to all other Extras project in ASF and
(b) the roles
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> camel-extras "organisation" do show some correlation
with the roles
>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, but they are not necessarily tied together,
i.e.
>>>>> there's
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>> requirement that a committer in camel-extras has to be
a committer
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, right?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [1] https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Raúl.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob Davies <rajdavies@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The way I read it is comdev are doing a mass migration
to SF - its
>>>>>>>>>> understandable they wouldn’t want multiple targets
- so to pick
>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>> destination for the code move makes sense. However
its not clear
>>>>> that
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>> have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why we couldn’t
just move it
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> GitHub
>>>>>>>>>> ourselves ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Victor and David: You are welcome to join the
com-dev mailing
>>>>> list
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> enlighten them.
>>>>>>>>>>> Here is a link the latest answer on that question
:-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen <
>>>>> davidkarlsen@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why not github?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL"
<
>>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are they even aware of the problem with
sourceforge?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe someone that is known there (such
as a member of an
>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>> Project
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ;) could tell them before they take the
wrong decision?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's even worse than what I thought because
after the Gimp
>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>> told
>>>>>>>>>> SF
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop doing their shady things, they
actually insisted
>>>>> during
>>>>>>>>> 2015:
>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a
écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last
resort. But the Apache
>>>>> Extras
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repositories are governed by the
ASF and the consensus seems
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SF
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than Github (which would have
been my personal
>>>>> preference)
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bitbucket.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer
| Enterprise Architect,
>>>>> Open
>>>>>>>>>> Source
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter:
@raulvk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor
NOËL <
>>>>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure
sourceforge is a good
>>>>>>>>> solution?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After all the fuss about their
terrible behaviour by
>>>>> implanting
>>>>>>>>>> adware
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other spyware in installers available
to download there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It became known with the big
complain of the Gimp project
>>>>> (that
>>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren
a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we not already have volunteers
in the current set of
>>>>>>>>> contributors
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the project ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I for one is willing in continue
maintaining the project
>>>>> once
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the question right
now is the progress of the SF
>>>>>>>>> migration.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18
Henryk Konsek <
>>>>> hekonsek@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know the
Apache Extras projects are being
>>>>> moved to
>>>>>>>>>> the...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need
to find a volunteer willing to
>>>>>>> maintain
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after  SourceForge migration.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38
użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <
>>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> napisał:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have not seen any other
updates on the comdev mailing list
>>>>> no.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we should
reach out to Daniel Gruno (that seems
>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move) to get a status
update for camel-extra.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015
at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <
>>>>> raul@evosent.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we have an
update on the ASF front about the Apache
>>>>>>> Extras
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migration?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users are asking
for new releases of camel-extras
>>>>>>> components...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I quickly went
through the ComDev thread but found no
>>>>>>>>> conclusion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overlooked an email
in that thread. Things tend to get
>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>> chatty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there and there's
no clearly marked conclusion email.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel
PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise
>>>>> Architect,
>>>>>>>>> Open
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Source
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani
|
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net
| twitter: @raulvk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21,
2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
>>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   From this thread[1]
 it seems that Daniel Gruno is the
>>>>> one
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> charge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I
fail to find any indication on the progress
>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> roadmap.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using Github
as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be a
>>>>>>>>> option in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion of
the community-dev decision.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps
we should move this discussion to the
>>>>>>>>> camel-dev
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug
2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there
any date when this move is expected? We have
>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Github
in place, ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu,
Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
>>>>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diging through
the community development list shows
>>>>> that it
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sourceforge
along with the rest of the apache extra.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12
Pontus Ullgren <
>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes this
has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development mailing
list [2].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any
>>>>> conclusion on
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
// Pontus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
[1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3]
>>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at
18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that the
Google code site is about to switch to read
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
(
>>>>>>>>> https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wondered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what is going
to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Tim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
--
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Henryk Konsek
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
> --
> Krzysztof Sobkowiak
>
> JEE & OSS Architect, Integration Architect
> Apache Software Foundation Member (http://apache.org/)
> Apache ServiceMix Committer & PMC Member (http://servicemix.apache.org/)
> Senior Solution Architect @ Capgemini SSC (http://www.capgeminisoftware.pl/)
>
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