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From Raul Kripalani <r...@evosent.com>
Subject Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Date Thu, 17 Sep 2015 08:43:17 GMT
Agree. From my point of view, if the Camel extras community feels
comfortable with Github, then go for it. It seems like the joint Apache
Extras effort has somewhat disintegrated anyway.

We did our part: having a discussion there and sharing our concerns at
dev@community. So I'm happy with how we dealt with this issue.

Let us know when it's done so we can update the links on the Apache Camel
website.

Raúl.
On 17 Sep 2015 07:50, "Pontus Ullgren" <ullgren@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello again,
>
> So I tried to reach out to com-dev beginning this month[1] and it seems to
> be a dead end.
> Some answers[2] even suggest that it is up to the PMCs.
>
> So in line of the two previous votes[3] [4] I think we should go ahead and
> continue the move to github.
>
> Best regards
> // Pontus
>
> [1]
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCABe1WL-mcFvPUmUwjLXmgLUOSSQUrhT5z7Adj2WPVS8NwSQnuA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> [2]
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
> [3]
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C1391078472.16070484.1428686018450.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
> [4]
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C301126299.246793.1429101018000.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
>
>
> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 19:54 Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > While I personally think that is github is superior to what SF offers
> > (and that bitbucket is superior to github) for camel-extra I don't think
> > the choice of hosting company is that big a deal.
> >
> > Camel-Extra currently uses
> > * Mailing list provided by nabble (
> > http://camel-extra.1091541.n5.nabble.com/)
> > * Jenkins provided by cloudbees (https://camel-extra.ci.cloudbees.com/)
> > * SonarQube provided by SonarQube (
> > http://nemo.sonarqube.org/dashboard/index/564228)
> > * Jira for issues provided by Atlassian (
> > https://camel-extra.atlassian.net/browse/CAMEX)
> > * End user component documentations are hosted on the main camel project
> > wiki
> >
> > So even back when we where on google code the only thing that it was used
> > for was to
> > provide a wiki for some project specific documentation such as release
> > notes and most important
> > the GIT repo.
> >
> > So as long as the service provider provides git, a simple way of hosting
> > some documentation and
> > has a good reputation of keeping a good uptime on the service in my
> > opinion it is not that big a deal
> > where or what is hosting it. The important thing is that we get this up
> > read-write ASAP.
> >
> >
> > Just my $0.02
> > // Pontus
> >
> > On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 17:59 Raul Kripalani <raul@evosent.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Rob,
> >>
> >> I think camel-extras belongs to the Apache Extras [1] umbrella...
> >>
> >> That said, I'm not quite sure what's the point of grouping all "extras"
> >> from all projects under a common ASF umbrella – I'm assuming it's for
> ASF
> >> organisational reasons. It definitely doesn't serve a technical reason
> nor
> >> an administrative one: (a) each Extras project is more closely related
> to
> >> the parent than to all other Extras project in ASF and (b) the roles in
> >> the
> >> camel-extras "organisation" do show some correlation with the roles at
> >> Apache Camel, but they are not necessarily tied together, i.e. there's
> no
> >> requirement that a committer in camel-extras has to be a committer in
> >> Apache Camel, right?
> >>
> >> [1] https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Raúl.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob Davies <rajdavies@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > The way I read it is comdev are doing a mass migration to SF - its
> >> > understandable they wouldn’t want multiple targets - so to pick one
> >> > destination for the code move makes sense. However its not clear that
> we
> >> > have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why we couldn’t just move it to
> >> GitHub
> >> > ourselves ?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Victor and David: You are welcome to join the com-dev mailing list
> and
> >> > > enlighten them.
> >> > > Here is a link the latest answer on that question :-)
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> >> > >
> >> > > // Pontus
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen <davidkarlsen@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Why not github?
> >> > >> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" <
> victor.noel@linagora.com
> >> >:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge?
> >> > >>> Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member of an
Apache
> >> > Project
> >> > >>> ;) could tell them before they take the wrong decision?
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> It's even worse than what I thought because after the Gimp
people
> >> told
> >> > SF
> >> > >>> to stop doing their shady things, they actually insisted during
> >> 2015:
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >>
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >>
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Victor
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit :
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the Apache
Extras
> >> > >>>> repositories are governed by the ASF and the consensus
seems to
> >> point
> >> > to
> >> > >>>> SF
> >> > >>>> rather than Github (which would have been my personal
preference)
> >> or
> >> > >>>> Bitbucket.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> Regards,
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> >> > >>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect,
Open
> >> > Source
> >> > >>>> Integration specialist
> >> > >>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> >> > >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> >> > >>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <
> >> victor.noel@linagora.com
> >> > >
> >> > >>>> wrote:
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a
good
> >> solution?
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour
by implanting
> >> > adware
> >> > >>>>> and
> >> > >>>>> other spyware in installers available to download
there.
> >> > >>>>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp
project (that
> >> > wasn't
> >> > >>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> See
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
> >> > >>>>> for details.
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Victor
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set
of
> >> contributors
> >> > >> for
> >> > >>>>>> the project ?
> >> > >>>>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the
project once
> it
> >> has
> >> > >>>>>> been
> >> > >>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> I think the question right now is the progress
of the SF
> >> migration.
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> // Pontus
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <hekonsek@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> Hi,
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects
are being moved to
> >> > the...
> >> > >>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer
willing to
> maintain
> >> the
> >> > >>>>>>> project
> >> > >>>>>>> after  SourceForge migration.
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> Cheers!
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus
Ullgren <
> >> > ullgren@gmail.com
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>>>>> napisał:
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev
mailing list no.
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel
Gruno (that seems to be
> >> in
> >> > >>>>>>>> charge
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> of
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani
<raul@evosent.com
> >
> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> Hey guys,
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front
about the Apache
> Extras
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> migration?
> >> > >>>>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras
> components...
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev
thread but found no
> >> conclusion.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Maybe I
> >> > >>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things
tend to get very
> >> chatty
> >> > >>>>>>>> over
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked
conclusion email.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer
| Enterprise Architect,
> >> Open
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Source
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
> >> > >>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> >> > >>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus
Ullgren <
> >> > ullgren@gmail.com
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>  From this thread[1]  it seems that Daniel
Gruno is the one
> in
> >> > >> charge
> >> > >>>>>>>>> for
> >> > >>>>>>>>> the move.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication
on the progress or
> >> > roadmap.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan
does NOT[2] seem to be a
> >> option in
> >> > >> the
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move
this discussion to the
> >> camel-dev
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> [1]
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> [2]
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> // Pontus
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph
Emmersberger <
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move
is expected? We have still
> >> the
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> backup
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> plan
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54
AM, Pontus Ullgren <
> >> > >> ullgren@gmail.com
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development
list shows that it
> >> will
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> be
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> moved
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest
of the apache extra.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com>
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on
the dev list[1][2] and the
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Apache
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> community
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there
does not seem to be any conclusion on
> >> this
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >>
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> [2]
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >>
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> [3]
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>
> >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about
to switch to read
> only
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> (
> >> https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wondered
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel
Extras stuff?
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek
> >> > >>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> --
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>
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> >> >
> >>
> >
>

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