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From Pontus Ullgren <ullg...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Date Fri, 04 Sep 2015 17:54:47 GMT
While I personally think that is github is superior to what SF offers
(and that bitbucket is superior to github) for camel-extra I don't think
the choice of hosting company is that big a deal.

Camel-Extra currently uses
* Mailing list provided by nabble (http://camel-extra.1091541.n5.nabble.com/
)
* Jenkins provided by cloudbees (https://camel-extra.ci.cloudbees.com/)
* SonarQube provided by SonarQube (
http://nemo.sonarqube.org/dashboard/index/564228)
* Jira for issues provided by Atlassian (
https://camel-extra.atlassian.net/browse/CAMEX)
* End user component documentations are hosted on the main camel project
wiki

So even back when we where on google code the only thing that it was used
for was to
provide a wiki for some project specific documentation such as release
notes and most important
the GIT repo.

So as long as the service provider provides git, a simple way of hosting
some documentation and
has a good reputation of keeping a good uptime on the service in my opinion
it is not that big a deal
where or what is hosting it. The important thing is that we get this up
read-write ASAP.


Just my $0.02
// Pontus

On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 17:59 Raul Kripalani <raul@evosent.com> wrote:

> Hi Rob,
>
> I think camel-extras belongs to the Apache Extras [1] umbrella...
>
> That said, I'm not quite sure what's the point of grouping all "extras"
> from all projects under a common ASF umbrella – I'm assuming it's for ASF
> organisational reasons. It definitely doesn't serve a technical reason nor
> an administrative one: (a) each Extras project is more closely related to
> the parent than to all other Extras project in ASF and (b) the roles in the
> camel-extras "organisation" do show some correlation with the roles at
> Apache Camel, but they are not necessarily tied together, i.e. there's no
> requirement that a committer in camel-extras has to be a committer in
> Apache Camel, right?
>
> [1] https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
>
> Regards,
> Raúl.
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob Davies <rajdavies@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The way I read it is comdev are doing a mass migration to SF - its
> > understandable they wouldn’t want multiple targets - so to pick one
> > destination for the code move makes sense. However its not clear that we
> > have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why we couldn’t just move it to
> GitHub
> > ourselves ?
> >
> >
> > > On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Victor and David: You are welcome to join the com-dev mailing list and
> > > enlighten them.
> > > Here is a link the latest answer on that question :-)
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> > >
> > > // Pontus
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen <davidkarlsen@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Why not github?
> > >> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" <victor.noel@linagora.com
> >:
> > >>
> > >>> Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge?
> > >>> Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member of an Apache
> > Project
> > >>> ;) could tell them before they take the wrong decision?
> > >>>
> > >>> It's even worse than what I thought because after the Gimp people
> told
> > SF
> > >>> to stop doing their shady things, they actually insisted during 2015:
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
> > >>>
> > >>> Victor
> > >>>
> > >>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit :
> > >>>
> > >>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the Apache Extras
> > >>>> repositories are governed by the ASF and the consensus seems to
> point
> > to
> > >>>> SF
> > >>>> rather than Github (which would have been my personal preference)
or
> > >>>> Bitbucket.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Regards,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> > >>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect,
Open
> > Source
> > >>>> Integration specialist
> > >>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> > >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> > >>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <
> victor.noel@linagora.com
> > >
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a good solution?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by implanting
> > adware
> > >>>>> and
> > >>>>> other spyware in installers available to download there.
> > >>>>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp project (that
> > wasn't
> > >>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> See
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> >
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
> > >>>>> for details.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Victor
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set of
> contributors
> > >> for
> > >>>>>> the project ?
> > >>>>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the project
once it
> has
> > >>>>>> been
> > >>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I think the question right now is the progress of the SF
> migration.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> // Pontus
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <hekonsek@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being
moved to
> > the...
> > >>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing
to maintain
> the
> > >>>>>>> project
> > >>>>>>> after  SourceForge migration.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Cheers!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren
<
> > ullgren@gmail.com
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>> napisał:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing
list no.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that
seems to be in
> > >>>>>>>> charge
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> of
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> // Pontus
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <raul@evosent.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Hey guys,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about
the Apache Extras
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> migration?
> > >>>>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras
components...
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but
found no
> conclusion.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Maybe I
> > >>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend
to get very
> chatty
> > >>>>>>>> over
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion
email.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> > >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise
Architect,
> Open
> > >>>>>>>>> Source
> > >>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
> > >>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> > >>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren
<
> > ullgren@gmail.com
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>  From this thread[1]  it seems that Daniel Gruno
is the one in
> > >> charge
> > >>>>>>>>> for
> > >>>>>>>>> the move.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on
the progress or
> > roadmap.
> > >>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2]
seem to be a option
> in
> > >> the
> > >>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
> > >>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion
to the camel-dev
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> [1]
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> [2]
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> // Pontus
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger
<
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected?
We have still
> the
> > >>>>>>>>>> backup
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> plan
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus
Ullgren <
> > >> ullgren@gmail.com
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development
list shows that it
> will
> > >>>>>>>>>>> be
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> moved
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache
extra.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev
list[1][2] and the
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Apache
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> community
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not
seem to be any conclusion on
> this
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>
> >
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> [2]
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>
> >
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> [3]
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch
to read only
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> (
> https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wondered
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras
stuff?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek
> > >>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée
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> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>> --
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée et
> > supportée
> > >>> par Linagora.
> > >>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre entreprise.
> > >>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> >
>

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