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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 17:49:15 +0100
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Subject: Re: git commit: CAMEL-7023: Added hawtio goal to camel maven plugin.
From: Achim Nierbeck <bcanhome@googlemail.com>
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Hi all,

I find this conversation very amusing and worrying in the same time. (could
someone please hand me some coke and popcorn)

It=92s rather queer how Hawt.io is being pushed in three different Apache
Projects right now. This leaves me with a rather shallow taste (in German
=93Geschm=E4ckle=94)

and those interesting words of a Red Hat partner didn't help any.

Though I=92m just a little minion and not a Rockstar so please mind my humb=
le
opinion.

best regards, Achim

P.S. sarcasm and irony tags may be placed at will


2013/12/1 Babak Vahdat <babak.vahdat@swissonline.ch>

> Interestingly I could not find any discussion (or veto) going on by the A=
MQ
> dev forum about replacing the old webconsole with hawtio, strange...
>
> The only thing I found was the JIRA ticket about this:
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-4594
>
> Babak
>
>
> Johan Edstrom-2 wrote
> > Benjamin, it has been discussed in AMQ as well.
> >
> >
> http://irclogs.dankulp.com/logs/irclogger_log/activemq/?date=3D2013-11-13=
,Wed
> >
> http://irclogs.dankulp.com/logs/irclogger_log/activemq/?date=3D2013-10-25=
,Fri
> >
> >
> > On Dec 1, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Benjamin Graf &lt;
>
> > benjamin.graf@
>
> > &gt; wrote:
> >
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> BTW why is hawtio a problem for Camel for political reason? It is yet
> the
> >> official front end for ActiveMQ. Is this seen different in different
> >> Apache
> >> projects???
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >> Benjamin
> >>
> >> On 01.12.2013 17:58, Babak Vahdat wrote:
> >>> Hi
> >>>
> >>> Let me sincerly tell you my personal opinion. To me the vetos both Da=
n
> &
> >>> Hadrian have started in this thread has nothing really technical in i=
t
> >>> and
> >>> is just POLITICAL justifications as Talend representatives.
> >>>
> >>> Why not let the community benefit from a ASL2 licensed software?
> >>>
> >>> @Dan in open source community there is nothing ANYBODY should get the
> >>> control over because the open source community doesn't need a BOSS as
> >>> you
> >>> like to be:
> >>>
> >>>
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Getting-closer-with-Java7-tp5692627p571=
3781.html
> >>>
> >>> If there's any improvement you see just make a pull request like ALL
> >>> OTHER
> >>> people in the community, SPECIALLY for:
> >>>
> >>> "links popping up and icons and such that promote something else"
> >>>
> >>> You did mention about in this thread. BTW where did you exactly spot
> >>> those
> >>> icons & pop-ups?
> >>>
> >>> Babak
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>
> > dkulp@
>
> >  wrote
> >>>> On Dec 1, 2013, at 3:46 AM, Rob Davies &lt;
> >>>> rajdavies@
> >>>> &gt; wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> dkulp@
> >>>> wrote
> >>>>>> Having no way for this PMC to control the display of the Camel rou=
te
> >>>>>> *IS*
> >>>>>> a technical justification.   If we as a PMC wanted to remove
> columns,
> >>>>>> add
> >>>>>> new columns for new features, change the order of stuff, etc=85.
> *WE*
> >>>>>> have
> >>>>>> no way to do so.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Having no way to change the branding of what is displayed *IS* a
> >>>>>> technical
> >>>>>> justification.   We cannot have links popping up and icons and suc=
h
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> promote something else.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Having no way to remove all the =93cruft=94 that is unrelated to C=
amel
> >>>>>> *IS*
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>> technical justification.   Claus=92s screen shot on the wiki has a=
n
> >>>>>> AcitveMQ
> >>>>>> tab, Wiki tab, etc=85  which would need to be removed if the goal =
is
> to
> >>>>>> have
> >>>>>> a Camel route display.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That=92s all technical justification.    This needs to be removed
> until
> >>>>>> they
> >>>>>> can all be addressed.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Oh=85 and the maven goal cannot be camel:hawtio.   It would need t=
o be
> >>>>>> camel:run-webconsole or similar to remove the branding part from
> that
> >>>>>> as
> >>>>>> well.
> >>>>> So any 3rd party tool that aids developers, can't be run as a maven
> >>>>> target
> >>>>> unless its completely branded and controlled by the Camel PMC is th=
e
> >>>>> stance
> >>>>> you are taking.
> >>>> If the maven plugin is part of Camel and it=92s stated purpose it to
> >>>> present
> >>>> *Camel*  to the user, then yes.   That BETTER be under the PMC=92s
> >>>> complete
> >>>> control and influence.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Daniel Kulp
> >>>> dkulp@
> >>>> - http://dankulp.com/blog
> >>>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
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> >>>
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oal-to-camel-maven-plugin-tp5744029p5744136.html
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> >>
> >>
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>
>
>
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