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From Babak Vahdat <babak.vah...@swissonline.ch>
Subject Re: git commit: CAMEL-7023: Added hawtio goal to camel maven plugin.
Date Sun, 01 Dec 2013 19:16:21 GMT
Johan, my intention is not to attack anybody (although you¹re free to
interpret it that way) but only to tell how I see the REAL intention
behind this thread. And thanks for sharing your opinion!


Babak

Am 01.12.13 19:10 schrieb "Johan Edstrom" unter <seijoed@gmail.com>:

>Babak, the good thing about personal opinion and ad-hominem
>attacks it that one doesn't have to share them.
>
>On Dec 1, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Benjamin Graf <benjamin.graf@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> 
>> BTW why is hawtio a problem for Camel for political reason? It is yet
>>the
>> official front end for ActiveMQ. Is this seen different in different
>>Apache
>> projects???
>> 
>> Best regards
>> Benjamin
>> 
>> On 01.12.2013 17:58, Babak Vahdat wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> Let me sincerly tell you my personal opinion. To me the vetos both Dan
>>>&
>>> Hadrian have started in this thread has nothing really technical in it
>>>and
>>> is just POLITICAL justifications as Talend representatives.
>>> 
>>> Why not let the community benefit from a ASL2 licensed software?
>>> 
>>> @Dan in open source community there is nothing ANYBODY should get the
>>> control over because the open source community doesn't need a BOSS as
>>>you
>>> like to be:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Getting-closer-with-Java7-tp5692627p57
>>>13781.html
>>> 
>>> If there's any improvement you see just make a pull request like ALL
>>>OTHER
>>> people in the community, SPECIALLY for:
>>> 
>>> "links popping up and icons and such that promote something else"
>>> 
>>> You did mention about in this thread. BTW where did you exactly spot
>>>those
>>> icons & pop-ups?
>>> 
>>> Babak
>>> 
>>> 
>>> dkulp@apache.org wrote
>>>> On Dec 1, 2013, at 3:46 AM, Rob Davies &lt;
>>>> rajdavies@
>>>> &gt; wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> dkulp@
>>>> wrote
>>>>>> Having no way for this PMC to control the display of the Camel route
>>>>>> *IS*
>>>>>> a technical justification.   If we as a PMC wanted to remove
>>>>>>columns,
>>>>>> add
>>>>>> new columns for new features, change the order of stuff, etcŠ.
>>>>>>*WE*
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> no way to do so.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Having no way to change the branding of what is displayed *IS* a
>>>>>> technical
>>>>>> justification.   We cannot have links popping up and icons and such
>>>>>>that
>>>>>> promote something else.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Having no way to remove all the ³cruft² that is unrelated to Camel
>>>>>>*IS* 
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> technical justification.   Claus¹s screen shot on the wiki has an
>>>>>> AcitveMQ
>>>>>> tab, Wiki tab, etcŠ  which would need to be removed if the goal
is
>>>>>>to
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> a Camel route display.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That¹s all technical justification.    This needs to be removed
>>>>>>until
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> can all be addressed.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> OhŠ and the maven goal cannot be camel:hawtio.   It would need to
be
>>>>>> camel:run-webconsole or similar to remove the branding part from
>>>>>>that as
>>>>>> well.
>>>>> So any 3rd party tool that aids developers, can't be run as a maven
>>>>> target
>>>>> unless its completely branded and controlled by the Camel PMC is the
>>>>> stance
>>>>> you are taking.
>>>> If the maven plugin is part of Camel and it¹s stated purpose it to
>>>>present
>>>> *Camel*  to the user, then yes.   That BETTER be under the PMC¹s
>>>>complete
>>>> control and influence.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Daniel Kulp
>>>> dkulp@
>>>> - http://dankulp.com/blog
>>>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
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>>>goal-to-camel-maven-plugin-tp5744029p5744136.html
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>> 
>> 
>



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