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From Christian Schneider <>
Subject Re: git commit: CAMEL-7023: Added hawtio goal to camel maven plugin.
Date Sun, 01 Dec 2013 09:39:23 GMT
I see another technical issue with the relation between camel and 
hawtio. The Hawtio camel integration depends on camel. If we now add a 
dependency from camel to hawtio this creates a circular depenency that 
tightly couples the projects in a way that should be avoided.

So why not just provide a small camel hawtio plugin inside hawtio that 
does this integration. So the dependency is simply from hawtio to camel. 
For the users this does not make a difference in usability but 
technically it is cleaner.


Am 01.12.2013 09:46, schrieb Rob Davies:
> wrote
>> Having no way for this PMC to control the display of the Camel route *IS*
>> a technical justification.   If we as a PMC wanted to remove columns, add
>> new columns for new features, change the order of stuff, etc….   *WE* have
>> no way to do so.
>> Having no way to change the branding of what is displayed *IS* a technical
>> justification.   We cannot have links popping up and icons and such that
>> promote something else.
>> Having no way to remove all the “cruft” that is unrelated to Camel *IS*  a
>> technical justification.   Claus’s screen shot on the wiki has an AcitveMQ
>> tab, Wiki tab, etc…  which would need to be removed if the goal is to have
>> a Camel route display.
>> That’s all technical justification.    This needs to be removed until they
>> can all be addressed.
>> Oh… and the maven goal cannot be camel:hawtio.   It would need to be
>> camel:run-webconsole or similar to remove the branding part from that as
>> well.
> So any 3rd party tool that aids developers, can't be run as a maven target
> unless its completely branded and controlled by the Camel PMC is the stance
> you are taking.
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Christian Schneider

Open Source Architect
Talend Application Integration Division

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