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From Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbar...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Google Plus - Apache Group
Date Mon, 04 Feb 2013 13:36:29 GMT
Rob, I totally agree with that.

Hadrian

On 02/04/2013 06:03 AM, Robert Davies wrote:
> It is *NOT* OK to make defamatory comments about an organisation,
> individuals or groups of people and use rumour and innuendo to do so.
>
> On 1 February 2013 15:31, Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbarcea@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Rob, just drop it. You know very well James is right. A similar complaint
>> was made just a few days ago about Fuse's behavior. This is nothing new,
>> there is a long list of abuses from Fuse over quite a few years.
>>
>> James, I would not include RedHat here. RedHat employees are involved in
>> other ASF projects, yet that do not exhibit the same clique behavior and an
>> incomprehensible push for immediate financial or other gains. I kinda of
>> understood that when Fuse was desperate to sell, and now that they did, I
>> really hoped they stopped. Unfortunately it looks like like it.
>>
>> Rob is correct that the *rest of* the PMC was diligent in increasing the
>> diversity and protecting its mark, however the problems and challenges
>> didn't come from the outside. Funny thing... But we proved many a time that
>> we can take on a challenge, no biggie.
>>
>> Hopefully the Fuse clique will take the message and slow down (at least
>> for a while, because I am not naive enough to imagine that they'll ever
>> stop). So, you know, the ASF got (at least) one thing right: it's not the
>> companies, it's the people.
>>
>> James, hats(*) off for speaking your mind. Rob, think hard about this one.
>> If you're really keen on hearing more on this subject, I have no doubts you
>> will, but beware what you wish for.
>>
>>
>> Hadrian
>> (*) with both the PMC member *and* ASF member hats in his *hand*.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 02/01/2013 10:06 AM, Robert Davies wrote:
>>
>>> James - that's a strong statement.  I think the Camel PMC is more
>>> diligent than most in protecting its diversity and marks.
>>>
>>> On 1 Feb 2013, at 14:44, James Carman <jcarman@carmanconsulting.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   I'm not a Camel committer or PMC member, but I *am* an ASF member and I
>>>> find it troubling how much Fuse/RedHat uses these lists to promote
>>>> themselves (like a picture of a camel wearing a red hat).  Hopefully they
>>>> don't use their influence in any other inappropriate ways.
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 1, 2013, at 9:09 AM, James Carman <jcarman@carmanconsulting.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   A picture of a camel with a red hat on with the words "Apache Camel."
>>>>>   Really?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 1, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Charles Moulliard <ch007m@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For our supporters/fans and people who belong in Apache Camel project,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> would like to inform you that we have created a Google Plus community
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> Camel (https://plus.google.com/u/0/**communities/**
>>>>>> 106271384875356488225<https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/106271384875356488225>
>>>>>> ).
>>>>>> Don't hesitate to send us yours pictures/events and initiate great
>>>>>> discussion
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Charles Moulliard
>>>>>> Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
>>>>>> Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>

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