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From Achim Nierbeck <bcanh...@googlemail.com>
Subject Re: Installing Camel examples in Karaf
Date Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:40:50 GMT
Well a KAR archive was created for this exact scenario. So if we do this
for std. jars, why would we need kars then?


2013/1/22 Charles Moulliard <ch007m@gmail.com>

> On 22/01/13 11:42, Achim Nierbeck wrote:
>
>> hmm, afairc the deployment of a feature.xml embedded in a jar was meant to
>> work this way. It was supposed to install just the feature itself without
>> starting it right away. This was planned to work this way since it might
>> result in "Downloading the complete internet" if someone isn't careful
>> with
>> the features description. We need to check the mailinglist archive on how
>> we decided.
>>
>> regards, Achim
>>
>>
>> 2013/1/22 Charles Moulliard <ch007m@gmail.com>
>>
>>  Hi Claus,
>>>
>>> Procedure to deploy camel example with this instruction install -s
>>> feature:mvn:org.apache.camel/**camel-example-sql/2.11-**SNAPSHOT works
>>> fine now
>>> with that modification (https://issues.apache.org/**
>>> jira/browse/KARAF-2134<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KARAF-2134>
>>> )
>>> EXCEPTED that the feature content (= bundles) are not installed.
>>> Guillaume
>>> has created a ticket to resolve this issue I think so (?)
>>>
>>> Remark : Don't think that drag/drop the bundle of camel-example-sql in
>>> deploy directory will work for the reason explained before (but you could
>>> make a test)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Charles
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Claus Ibsen <claus.ibsen@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Charles Moulliard <ch007m@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Works better. Nevertheless the features defined in the features file
>>>>> deployed as a bundle are not deployed. Here is an example
>>>>>
>>>>> [ 127] [Installed  ] [            ] [   80] camel-example-sql
>>>>> (2.11.0.SNAPSHOT) // CONTAINS FEATURES.XML FILE
>>>>> karaf@root> listurl
>>>>>   Loaded   URI
>>>>>    true
>>>>>   bundle://118.0:0/META-INF/org.**apache.karaf.shell.features/**
>>>>> features.xml
>>>>>
>>>> <--
>>>>
>>>>> WELL DEPLOYED
>>>>>
>>>>> Definition of the features camel-example-sql
>>>>>
>>>>> karaf@root> features:info camel-example-sql
>>>>> Description of camel-example-sql 2.11-SNAPSHOT feature
>>>>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**----
>>>>> Feature has no configuration
>>>>> Feature has no configuration files
>>>>> Feature depends on:
>>>>>    camel 2.11-SNAPSHOT
>>>>>    camel-spring 2.11-SNAPSHOT
>>>>>    camel-sql 2.11-SNAPSHOT
>>>>> Feature contains followed bundles:
>>>>>   mvn:org.apache.derby/derby/10.**9.1.0 <http://10.9.1.0>
>>>>>   mvn:mvn:commons-pool/commons-**pool/1.6
>>>>>
>>>>>    mvn:mvn:org.apache.servicemix.**bundles/org.apache.servicemix.**
>>> bundles.commons-dbcp/1.4_3
>>>
>>>>   mvn:org.apache.camel/camel-**example-sql/2.11-SNAPSHOT
>>>>>
>>>>> Excepted camel-example-sql, the others are not deployed/installed
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hi Charles
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for testing the karaf changes.
>>>> So are you saying that installing the example using the features: in
>>>> the url handler now works better.
>>>> But doesn't work fully yet?
>>>>
>>>> So are you saying for example that bundles like commons-pool / derby
>>>> JDBC driver etc. which
>>>> is listed in the features.xml file is not installed?
>>>>
>>>> Also did you try installing the example by dropping the JAR into the
>>>> deploy directory?
>>>>
>>>> Though I assume you have prior to that installed camel 2.11 in karaf
>>>> beforehand?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Guillaume Nodet <gnodet@gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Raised and fixed https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/KARAF-2134<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KARAF-2134>
>>>>>> The workaround is to use the plain http url instead of the mvn url.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Charles Moulliard <ch007m@gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Convention is : META-INF + "/" + one directory where directory
=
>>>>>>> "org.apache.karaf.shell.**features" + "/" + "*.xml" where *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> corresponds
>>>
>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> features.xml file
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Claus Ibsen <claus.ibsen@gmail.com
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Hi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Charles may have pointed out about the naming of the features
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> file.
>>>
>>>> Should it be a file in META-INF which has this long name with all
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>> dots?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or should it be a features.xml file in META-INF/org/apache/...
eg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> deep
>>>>
>>>>> down in a sub dir
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Claus Ibsen <
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> claus.ibsen@gmail.com
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Guillaume Nodet <
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> gnodet@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you talking about the features deployer ?
>>>>>>>>>> Karaf has it already.  You can use osgi:install feature:mvn:xxx
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>
>>>>> drop
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> features file in the deploy directory, or deploy any
bundle
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>
>>>> has
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> META-INF/org.apache.karaf.**shell.features/*.xml file inside.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Thanks I did not know about that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I looked in the docs at:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  http://karaf.apache.org/**manual/latest-2.3.x/users-**
>>> guide/provisioning.html<http://karaf.apache.org/manual/latest-2.3.x/users-guide/provisioning.html>
>>>
>>>> And didn't find any reference about that META-INF dir.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So I tried this on Camel trunk. But didn't have the luck
yet.
>>>>>>>>> Notice how the bundle get installed with 2.11-SNAPSHOT
as its
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> name. I
>>>>
>>>>> guess maybe I do the install command wrong.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> davsclaus:/opt/apache-karaf-2.**3.0$ bin/karaf
>>>>>>>>>          __ __                  ____
>>>>>>>>>         / //_/____ __________ _/ __/
>>>>>>>>>        / ,<  / __ `/ ___/ __ `/ /_
>>>>>>>>>       / /| |/ /_/ / /  / /_/ / __/
>>>>>>>>>      /_/ |_|\__,_/_/   \__,_/_/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    Apache Karaf (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hit '<tab>' for a list of available commands
>>>>>>>>> and '[cmd] --help' for help on a specific command.
>>>>>>>>> Hit '<ctrl-d>' or 'osgi:shutdown' to shutdown Karaf.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> karaf@root> features:
>>>>>>>>> features:addurl              features:chooseurl
>>>>>>>>> features:info                features:install
>>>>>>>>> features:list                features:listrepositories
>>>>>>>>> features:listurl             features:listversions
>>>>>>>>> features:refreshurl          features:removerepository
>>>>>>>>> features:removeurl           features:uninstall
>>>>>>>>> karaf@root> features:chooseurl camel 2.11-SNAPSHOT
>>>>>>>>> adding feature url
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  mvn:org.apache.camel.karaf/**apache-camel/2.11-SNAPSHOT/**
>>> xml/features
>>>
>>>> karaf@root> osgi:install
>>>>>>>>> feature:mvn:org.apache.camel/**camel-example-sql/2.11-**SNAPSHOT
>>>>>>>>> Bundle ID: 54
>>>>>>>>> karaf@root> la
>>>>>>>>> START LEVEL 100 , List Threshold: 0
>>>>>>>>>     ID   State         Blueprint      Level  Name
>>>>>>>>> [   0] [Active     ] [            ] [    0] System Bundle
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (4.0.3)
>>>
>>>> [   1] [Active     ] [            ] [    5] OPS4J Pax Url - mvn:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (1.3.5)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [   2] [Active     ] [            ] [    5] OPS4J Pax Url
-
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrap:
>>>
>>>> (1.3.5)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [   3] [Active     ] [            ] [    8] OPS4J Pax Logging
-
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Service
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (1.7.0)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [   4] [Active     ] [            ] [    8] OPS4J Pax
Logging -
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> API
>>>>
>>>>> (1.7.0)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [   5] [Active     ] [            ] [   10] Apache Felix
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Configuration
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Admin Service (1.4.0)
>>>>>>>>> [   6] [Active     ] [            ] [   11] Apache Felix
File
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Install
>>>>
>>>>> (3.2.6)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [   7] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   20] Apache Aries
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Blueprint
>>>
>>>> Core
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (1.0.1)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [   8] [Active     ] [            ] [   20] Apache Aries
Util
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (1.0.0)
>>>>
>>>>> [   9] [Active     ] [            ] [   20] Apache Aries Proxy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> API
>>>
>>>> (1.0.0)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [  10] [Active     ] [            ] [   20] ASM all classes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (4.0)
>>>
>>>> [  11] [Active     ] [            ] [   20] Apache Aries
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Blueprint
>>>
>>>> API
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (1.0.0)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [  12] [Active     ] [            ] [   20] Apache Aries
Proxy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Service
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (1.0.0)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [  13] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   20] Apache Aries
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Blueprint CM
>>>>
>>>>> (1.0.0)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [  14] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   25] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Shell
>>>
>>>> ::
>>>>
>>>>> Console (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  15] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   28] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Deployer
>>>>
>>>>> :: Blueprint (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  16] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   28] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Deployer
>>>>
>>>>> :: Spring (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  17] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Shell
>>>
>>>> ::
>>>>
>>>>> SSH
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [  18] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Management
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [  19] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Shell
>>>
>>>> ::
>>>>
>>>>> Various Commands (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  20] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Features
>>>>
>>>>> :: Core (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  21] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Shell
>>>
>>>> ::
>>>>
>>>>> Log Commands (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  22] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Features
>>>>
>>>>> :: Command (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  23] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Diagnostic
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :: Management (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  24] [Active     ] [            ] [   30] Apache Mina
SSHD ::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Core
>>>>
>>>>> (0.8.0)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [  25] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Deployer
>>>>
>>>>> :: Wrap Non OSGi Jar (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  26] [Active     ] [            ] [   30] Apache MINA
Core
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (2.0.7)
>>>>
>>>>> [  27] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf ::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Admin
>>>
>>>> ::
>>>>
>>>>> Command (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  28] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Diagnostic
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :: Command (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  29] [Active     ] [            ] [   30] Apache Aries
JMX
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Core
>>>
>>>> (1.0.1)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [  30] [Active     ] [            ] [   30] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Diagnostic
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :: Core (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  31] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Admin
>>>
>>>> ::
>>>>
>>>>> Management (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  32] [Active     ] [            ] [   30] Apache Aries
JMX API
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (1.0.0)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [  33] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Diagnostic
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :: Common (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  34] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Shell
>>>
>>>> ::
>>>>
>>>>> Development Commands (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  35] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Deployer
>>>>
>>>>> :: Features (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  36] [Active     ] [            ] [   30] Apache Aries
JMX
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Blueprint
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> API (1.0.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  37] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
:: Jaas
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ::
>>>>
>>>>> Command (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  38] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
:: JAAS
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ::
>>>>
>>>>> Modules (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  39] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Shell
>>>
>>>> ::
>>>>
>>>>> OSGi Commands (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  40] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Features
>>>>
>>>>> :: Management (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  41] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Shell
>>>
>>>> ::
>>>>
>>>>> PackageAdmin Commands (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  42] [Active     ] [            ] [   30] Apache Aries
JMX
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Blueprint
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Core (1.0.1)
>>>>>>>>> [  43] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Admin
>>>
>>>> ::
>>>>
>>>>> Core (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  44] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Deployer
>>>>
>>>>> :: Karaf Archive (.kar) (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  45] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
:: JAAS
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ::
>>>>
>>>>> Config (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  46] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Shell
>>>
>>>> ::
>>>>
>>>>> ConfigAdmin Commands (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  47] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Management
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :: MBeans :: System (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  48] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Management
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :: MBeans :: Bundles (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  49] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Management
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :: MBeans :: Services (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  50] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Management
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :: MBeans :: Config (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  51] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Management
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :: MBeans :: Log (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  52] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Management
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :: MBeans :: Packages (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  53] [Active     ] [Created     ] [   30] Apache Karaf
::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Management
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :: MBeans :: Dev (2.3.0)
>>>>>>>>> [  54] [Installed  ] [            ] [   80] 2.11-SNAPSHOT
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (0.0.0)
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And the example contains the features.xml in that directory.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> davsclaus:~/workspace/camel/**examples/camel-example-sql$
tar -tf
>>>>>>>>> target/camel-example-sql-2.11-**SNAPSHOT.jar
>>>>>>>>> META-INF/MANIFEST.MF
>>>>>>>>> META-INF/
>>>>>>>>> META-INF/DEPENDENCIES
>>>>>>>>> META-INF/LICENSE
>>>>>>>>> META-INF/LICENSE.txt
>>>>>>>>> META-INF/NOTICE
>>>>>>>>> META-INF/NOTICE.txt
>>>>>>>>> META-INF/maven/
>>>>>>>>> META-INF/maven/org.apache.**camel/
>>>>>>>>> META-INF/maven/org.apache.**camel/camel-example-sql/
>>>>>>>>> META-INF/maven/org.apache.**camel/camel-example-sql/pom.**
>>>>>>>>> properties
>>>>>>>>> META-INF/maven/org.apache.**camel/camel-example-sql/pom.**xml
>>>>>>>>> META-INF/org/
>>>>>>>>> META-INF/org/apache/
>>>>>>>>> META-INF/org/apache/karaf/
>>>>>>>>> META-INF/org/apache/karaf/**shell/
>>>>>>>>> META-INF/org/apache/karaf/**shell/features/
>>>>>>>>> META-INF/org/apache/karaf/**shell/features/features.xml
>>>>>>>>> META-INF/spring/
>>>>>>>>> META-INF/spring/camel-context.**xml
>>>>>>>>> log4j.properties
>>>>>>>>> org/
>>>>>>>>> org/apache/
>>>>>>>>> org/apache/camel/
>>>>>>>>> org/apache/camel/example/
>>>>>>>>> org/apache/camel/example/sql/
>>>>>>>>> org/apache/camel/example/sql/**DatabaseBean.class
>>>>>>>>> org/apache/camel/example/sql/**OrderBean.class
>>>>>>>>> sql.properties
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Achim Nierbeck <
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bcanhome@googlemail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Clause,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> thanks for summing up what we talked of on IRC
:)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think it could be even easier.
>>>>>>>>>>> We could add a bundle tracker for features.xml
files that will
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> install
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> those with the features service.
>>>>>>>>>>> For this we don't even need a special syntax
of the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> osgi:install
>>>
>>>> url
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (and actually if you want a url-handler to take control of it
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>
>>>>> need
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> osgi:install features:mvn:xxxx)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Something like the web-extender of pax-web could
be done, and
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> quite easy.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> regards, Achim
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2013/1/18 Claus Ibsen <claus.ibsen@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So when people get started with Apache Karaf
and Camel (eg
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>
>>>> going
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> down the full ESB with SMX) then I would like to make that
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>
>>>>> easier.
>>>>>>>>>>>> For example to tell them how easy you can
install some of
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>
>>>> examples
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> we provided with Apache Camel
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://camel.apache.org/**examples<http://camel.apache.org/examples>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of these examples have been prepared
for OSGi and have
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> embedded
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> features.xml file, so in theory they are ready to install.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Though I could not find a way to install
the example in
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Karaf
>>>
>>>> without
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> pain.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> eg I want to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> cd apache-karaf-2.3.0
>>>>>>>>>>>> bin/karaf
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> features:choose camel 2.11.0
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> // and how to install my example, such as
camel-example-sql
>>>>>>>>>>>> ?????
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The camel features does not contain examples.
>>>>>>>>>>>> And frankly I would like Karaf to be able
to install a
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> bundle
>>>
>>>> but
>>>>
>>>>> use
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the features.xml file that is included in the JAR in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> root
>>>
>>>> classpath. (Or some other directory if Karaf has a standard
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>
>>>>> that).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe I can type, eg notice the :feature in the command
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> osgi:install
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> mvn:feature:org.apache/camel/**camel-example-sql/2.11.0
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or some other way to install it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then people just need to download Karaf,
and they can
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> install
>>>
>>>> Camel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and the examples from Maven.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now I want them to be able to do this for
their custom
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> application
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> well, so they can do
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> osgi:install
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> file:feature:/dev/myproject/**target/myapp-1.0.jar
>>>
>>>> Or something like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So how can we make it easier for people to
install and try
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Camel
>>>>
>>>>> examples in vanilla Apache Karaf containers?
>>>>>>>>>>>> And how can we make it easier for people
to install their
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> own
>>>
>>>> applications in vanilla Apache Karaf containers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> which uses features.xml file to declare their
dependencies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And NO they do NOT want to use KAR files
or some Karaf
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> specific.
>>>>
>>>>> Their
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> applications should be plain JARs
>>>>>>>>>>>> that can also run outside Karaf as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Red Hat, Inc.
>>>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource is now part of Red Hat
>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: cibsen@redhat.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/>
Committer & PMC
>>>>>>>>>>> OPS4J Pax Web <http://wiki.ops4j.org/**display/paxweb/Pax+Web/<http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/>
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Committer &
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Project Lead
>>>>>>>>>>> OPS4J Pax for Vaadin <
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://team.ops4j.org/wiki/**display/PAXVAADIN/Home<http://team.ops4j.org/wiki/display/PAXVAADIN/Home>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Commiter & Project Lead
>>>>>>>>>>> blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/**>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource, Integration everywhere
>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>> Red Hat, Inc.
>>>>>>>>> FuseSource is now part of Red Hat
>>>>>>>>> Email: cibsen@redhat.com
>>>>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.com
>>>>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>> Red Hat, Inc.
>>>>>>>> FuseSource is now part of Red Hat
>>>>>>>> Email: cibsen@redhat.com
>>>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.com
>>>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Charles Moulliard
>>>>>>> Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
>>>>>>> Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> FuseSource, Integration everywhere
>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Charles Moulliard
>>>>> Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
>>>>> Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>> -----------------
>>>> Red Hat, Inc.
>>>> FuseSource is now part of Red Hat
>>>> Email: cibsen@redhat.com
>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.com
>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Charles Moulliard
>>> Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
>>> Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>  - To be consistant with what we have done, If we can deploy a features
> xml file using a KAR archive then we should be able to do the same thing
> with a bundle.
>
> - I agree on your remark that there is a risk as we cannot easily
> determine if the feature xml files contains a few bundles + configuration
> files OR the full list of camel bundles
>



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