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From Aled Sage <aled.s...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Question about the Brooklyn webui
Date Tue, 14 Jul 2015 14:20:57 GMT
Hi all,

I've put together some draft use-cases for the blueprint designer. 
Feedback extremely welcome:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1A1oaIbGPDXgJsum0QnE9gmYfLwRotEOTPnoi3zqXTD8/edit?usp=sharing

Aled


On 14/07/2015 14:29, Aled Sage wrote:
> Hi Adrian,
>
> I agree it's on the right track, with drag-and-drop of services 
> (analogous to existing entities/blueprints), and settings on each of 
> those services (analogous to config options).
>
> An important difference from Microsoft Robotics Studio is that we are 
> mostly talking about a deployment configuration, whereas the robotics 
> studio is a graphical programming language. Therefore, the analogy 
> will break down so we have to be careful about what ideas we take from 
> that.
>
> ---
> Labels/layers sounds sensible.
>
> We should also write up some use-cases. I volunteer to make a start on 
> that.
>
> ---
> In terms of mockups, I love wire frames and tools like Balsamiq [1]. 
> It allows for extremely fast iterations, fast feedback, and avoids 
> (time/emotional) investment in more "realistic" mockups. I suggest we 
> all agree that any mockup code is throw-away. If it's not, then we're 
> at risk of spending too much time on a single phase of the mockup, 
> rather than getting our ideas out there for fast feedback.
>
> Aled
>
> [1] https://balsamiq.com/products/mockups/
>
> On 14/07/2015 14:14, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:
>> Hi Adrian,
>>
>> This looks very interesting to me. Complex approach or not, I believe 
>> this is what is needed and you're on the right track.
>>
>> I spent quite a bit of time thinking about this problem. My intuition 
>> tells me now that we need to introduce some metadata like labels and 
>> layers to handle complexity. However, I don't have a concrete 
>> proposal at this point and I am not sure how productive it would be 
>> to just throw ideas.
>>
>> Best,
>> Hadrian
>>
>>
>> On 07/14/2015 07:22 AM, Adrián Nieto wrote:
>>> What do you think about trying to mockup something based directly on
>>> material design?
>>>
>>> About how it the App designer should work I would suggest something 
>>> like
>>> Microsoft Robotics Studio[1] but maybe this is a very complex approach.
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_w8zmcBHHhdk/TD9ewicbGdI/AAAAAAAAB6o/8nEsQNzw8eI/s1600/UltrasonicExplorer.png

>>>
>>>
>>> El 14/07/2015 a las 11:47, Raul Canta escribió:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I've looked over Adrian Nieto post and it looks that we had the 
>>>> same idea
>>>> using AngularJS and Material Design https://material.angularjs.org
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it's about the drag and drop which Thomas Bouron proposed. I 
>>>> tried to
>>>> do a first design based on the mokcup Thomas did.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38051787/ApacheBrooklyn-Editor-Application.jpg

>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38051787/ApacheBrooklyn-Editor-YAML.jpg

>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would like to get some feedback on the mokcups i did.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Raul C.
>>>>
>>>> P.S. For the mockups I used the design guideline of the Apache 
>>>> Brooklyn
>>>> look-and-feel
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Adrián Nieto Pérez 
>>>> <adrian@lcc.uma.es>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My idea was to start the project during August, but I already did 
>>>>> some
>>>>> work on the landing view. For the server log it would be nice to 
>>>>> have an
>>>>> API call to retrieve the console output, or at least the last 
>>>>> message.
>>>>> Currently i’m working on the applications view.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> El 14/7/2015, a las 4:32, Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbarcea@gmail.com>

>>>>> escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Raul,
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you please share some wireframes or screenshots of what you are
>>>>> working on?
>>>>>
>>>>> The second link Aled posted is an interesting one for me (and I am 
>>>>> not a
>>>>> UI expert by any measure). It looks like Adrian Nieto is working 
>>>>> on some
>>>>> changes of the UI. The initial thread he started died off 
>>>>> unfortunately.
>>>>>
>>>>> I cc'ed Adrian explicitly in the hope that he could share more 
>>>>> about his
>>>>> plans.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Hadrian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 07/13/2015 06:09 PM, aled sage wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Raul, excellent!
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you elaborate for the mailing list what area of the Brooklyn 
>>>>> GUI you
>>>>> are working on? From other comms, I presume it is the drag and 
>>>>> drop editor
>>>>> which Thomas proposed on the list previously [1].
>>>>>
>>>>> In terms of guidelines, are you thinking of look-and-feel or coding
>>>>> standards?
>>>>>
>>>>> For look-and-feel, I'd go for community feedback: propose some 
>>>>> wire-frame
>>>>> diagrams / mockups early to get feedback, iterate on those until 
>>>>> we have
>>>>> sufficient consensus, and then implement!
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Another discussion about the Brooklyn GUI is the e-mail thread "A 
>>>>> proposal
>>>>> of a new Apache Brooklyn GUI" [2].
>>>>>
>>>>> Aled
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]
>>>>>
>>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-brooklyn-dev/201506.mbox/%3CCAH20XTZPdcfXBam9WcGD_%3DWbWnuzMKeTOVoK3vkiXgvEBJ5zpw%40mail.gmail.com%3E

>>>>>
>>>>> [2]
>>>>>
>>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-brooklyn-dev/201507.mbox/%3CFEC0FF77-671B-455C-A29E-6ABF6E4028D3%40lcc.uma.es%3E

>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Raul Canta <raul@apifocal.com>

>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am working on some improvements to the Brooklyn gui. Where can I 
>>>>> find
>>>>> some guidelines?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Raul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>


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