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From Sijie Guo <>
Subject Re: Ledgers failing to replicate
Date Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:31:50 GMT
I see. Let me ask one more questions - how do you create ledgers? And when
do you write these ledgers and when do you close them.

I think they are probably just empty ledgers at the time you were rolling.
There is a setting in the recovery tool to force close the open ledgers. I
need to check and confirm that.

On Jan 12, 2017 6:14 AM, "Sebastián Schepens" <> wrote:

We were replacing all our nodes and testing how to do it best without
affecting the cluster.

This same thing happened again yesterday. I have 4 underreplicated ledgers,
which are empty.
But this time, I turned off bookies on by one, and waiting for all
underreplicated ledgers to replicate before turning off another bookie.
Even while doing this 'rolling' replace, I ended up with inconsistent
ledgers. How can this be possible?
One would expect that when there are no underreplicated ledgers, it would
be safe to loose a machine.

What's the recommended quorum setup if I wanted to safely tolerate 2
machine failure?

If you want to tolerate 2 failures, you need to write quorum size - ack
quorum size to be larger than or equal to 2.


On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 5:04 PM Sijie Guo <> wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Sebastián Schepens <sebastian.schepens@
>> wrote:
> Hi guys,
> I'm doing some tests and turned off 2 bookies almost simultaneously hoping
> that all the ledgers would still be able to replicate since we have
> ensemble and quorum size of 3.
> Almost all ledgers managed to replicate using the autorecovery daemon
> except for 5. What's curious about this 5 ledgers is that they are all
> empty and the only node which contains data for it claims it does not exist.
> Here's the ledger metadata for one of them:
> ledgerID: 772
> BookieMetadataFormatVersion 2
> quorumSize: 3
> ensembleSize: 3
> length: 0
> lastEntryId: -1
> state: IN_RECOVERY
> segment {
>   ensembleMember: ""
>   ensembleMember: ""
>   ensembleMember: ""
>   firstEntryId: 0
> }
> digestType: CRC32
> password: ""
> ackQuorumSize: 2
> Where all nodes except are down.
> And that node contains these logs:
> ERROR - [BookieReadThread-3181-10-1:ReadEntryProcessorV3@123] - No ledger
> found while reading entry:-1 from ledger: 772
> They seem to be empty ledgers with no entries.
> I don't understand how these ledgers ended in this state, is it
> recoverable?
> If the ledgers are closed, if you lose two bookies, the re-replication can
> replicate the data correctly. As when the ledger is in closed state, it
> will contains the last entry id in the metadata, it would use the
> information to determine the state of the ledger and replicate data
> correctly.
> However, if the ledgers are open and you lost two bookies (which is the
> majority of your quorum), the client can't make a decision what is the last
> entry id based on only one left bookie, so it can not close/seal the ledger
> correctly.
> Can you explain more about your tests? It would help me understand more
> about that.
> I could just delete the ledgers cause they are empty too. By the way,
> bookkeeper shell should have a command for deleting ledgers.
> Yeah, this is a good suggestion. Do you mind creating a jira for adding
> the delete ledger command?
> Thanks,
> Sebastian

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