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From Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
Subject Re: new bigtop website
Date Wed, 18 May 2016 22:16:59 GMT
What if we ask nicely?  ;-)

I know enough folks at all these companies to be able to start a
conversation. Should I?

Thanks,
Roman.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:19 PM, Olaf Flebbe <of@oflebbe.de> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Ok, let me say it straight:
>
> Hortonworks is not mentioned there and cloudera is only claimed for CDH4 based on bigtop.
> As far as I stumbled over the artifact naming of current CDH5, they at least heavily
modified the build process since.
>
> Both are using a package called bigtop-utils for instance, but does that "qualify" them
to be mentioned as downstream users?
>
> Olaf
>
>> Am 17.05.2016 um 20:23 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org>:
>>
>> If I am not mistaken, the new version of the page is based of
>>    https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Powered+By+Bigtop
>>
>> which was populated by the 'powered-by' projects themselves. So, yes - we know
>> for sure. Besides, a simple look into vendors' package dependencies shows the
>> foot-print of Bigtop all over the place.
>>
>> But I am fine with your proposed wording, although we are providing more than
>> just build. Runtime as well ie bigtop-utils, etc.
>>
>>  Cos
>>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 07:17PM, Olaf Flebbe wrote:
>>> Hi Cos,
>>>
>>> Of course anyone need permission to use trademark logos.
>>>
>>> The point is not logos itself. What is the message we want to share ?
>>>
>>> Bigtop should not claim that any entity is a downstream user of bigtop. We
>>> do not know for sure.  The downstream user itself should agree to be named
>>> here. I can live with the section "powered by" in the current website.  That
>>> page has a very differentiated view.  Maybe we can reuse this page optically
>>> pimped.
>>>
>>> I am very ok if Nate ask entities, if they approve to be named .
>>>
>>> Maybe the Mission statement can be made clear:
>>>
>>> To provide a generic build system for a vanilla distribution of Apache
>>> Hadoop ecosystem projects, integrating other components early.
>>>
>>> Olaf
>>>
>>>> Am 17.05.2016 um 18:58 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org>:
>>>>
>>>> Take it with as many graines of salt you want, but I don't think using logos
>>>> from someone's publicly available media kit for the purpose of referring
to
>>>> the owner of it, requires any special permissions. But I'm not a lawyer.
>>>>
>>>> Cos
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 02:02PM, nate@reactor8.com wrote:
>>>>> No official logo approval.  For having clear and concise communication
about
>>>>> the project and what it provides to first time visitors feel that will
be
>>>>> the most important part of the homepage.  We went through similar
>>>>> conversation bit over a year ago when working through the flyer design
and
>>>>> the number one thing in most conversations, and presentation q&a's
is
>>>>> usually along lines of "who is using it" and "what do you do with it".
  The
>>>>> resounding way to communicate that has been to say "x,y,z use it as a
base
>>>>> to build their distributions and custom component versions/packages...".
>>>>>
>>>>> I can take on task of getting approvals, and can add a related/dependent
>>>>> jira for the main site one
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Olaf Flebbe [mailto:of@oflebbe.de]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:50 PM
>>>>> To: user@bigtop.apache.org
>>>>> Cc: dev@bigtop.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: new bigtop website
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Nate,
>>>>>
>>>>> I like the design very much! The big tents are very good!
>>>>>
>>>>> But I would refrain from using the logos in the "powered by" section.
 Do we
>>>>> have have permissions to use these trademarks? AFAIK we do not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Olaf
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 16.05.2016 um 22:12 schrieb nate@reactor8.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Bigtoppers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> During some downtime I rekindled the effort for new site for the
project.
>>>>> I based the initial design on ideas flushed out mid/late last year and
>>>>> borrowing from the bigtop flyer we have been using the past 12+ months
at
>>>>> various events, as well as the workshop site/content I setup for some
past
>>>>> conference related events.  As such, the content is all in flux, including
>>>>> menu at top, this is meant to get the ball rolling
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Initial rev of design and homepage mock can be found here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://kaiyzen.github.io/bigtop/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is currently setup as a github pages project.  Given some feedback
on
>>>>> the list ways back with asf supporting it, and the great tooling around
>>>>> Jekyll, figured it was easiest for my dev and collaboration efforts.
 As we
>>>>> get things finalized we can decide how the group wants to manage/host
the
>>>>> new site
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am keeping notes that anyone who is interested in helping on content
can
>>>>> add to:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Bigtop+Website+Notes+and+
>>>>> Ideas
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most important I feel will be the Getting Started content which should
>>>>> fill in the average user(s) to carry out a lot of common tasks, centralizing
>>>>> the details.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will update the old jira item with relevant content updates and
we can
>>>>> use that for tracking the finer details and delivery.  The rest of this
week
>>>>> will be some minor tweaks to design and fixing some cross browser and
mobile
>>>>> related layout issues (mobile friendly on day 1 is the goal), as well
as
>>>>> starting to flush out the template/framework for getting started content
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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