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From Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
Subject Re: new bigtop website
Date Fri, 27 May 2016 00:05:35 GMT
Guys, I'm sorry to say this but at this point I suggest somebody else
tries to contact the relevant parties. I wish I could help more. I'm still
super excited by what Nate is doing, but right now is a somewhat
challenging time for me to help.

Thanks,
Roman.

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 2:31 PM, <nate@reactor8.com> wrote:

> Updated with the ibm power icon provided.  We will probably want to use a
> larger or more production ready one when we publish, icon started pretty
> small
>
>
>
> *From:* MrAsanjar . [mailto:afsanjar@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2016 10:12 AM
> *To:* user@bigtop.apache.org
>
> *Subject:* Re: new bigtop website
>
>
>
> Looks good, but wrong icon for Power architecture, could we use:
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Olaf Flebbe <of@oflebbe.de> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> of course we should do. My whole point is not to use logos without asking
> for permission. Do you think we can get quotes like  like "Apache Bigtop is
> great, because ... " that will be top!
>
> Olaf
>
>
>
> > Am 19.05.2016 um 00:16 schrieb Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org>:
> >
> > What if we ask nicely?  ;-)
> >
> > I know enough folks at all these companies to be able to start a
> > conversation. Should I?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
> >
> > On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:19 PM, Olaf Flebbe <of@oflebbe.de> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Ok, let me say it straight:
> >>
> >> Hortonworks is not mentioned there and cloudera is only claimed for
> CDH4 based on bigtop.
> >> As far as I stumbled over the artifact naming of current CDH5, they at
> least heavily modified the build process since.
> >>
> >> Both are using a package called bigtop-utils for instance, but does
> that "qualify" them to be mentioned as downstream users?
> >>
> >> Olaf
> >>
> >>> Am 17.05.2016 um 20:23 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org>:
> >>>
> >>> If I am not mistaken, the new version of the page is based of
> >>>   https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Powered+By+Bigtop
> >>>
> >>> which was populated by the 'powered-by' projects themselves. So, yes -
> we know
> >>> for sure. Besides, a simple look into vendors' package dependencies
> shows the
> >>> foot-print of Bigtop all over the place.
> >>>
> >>> But I am fine with your proposed wording, although we are providing
> more than
> >>> just build. Runtime as well ie bigtop-utils, etc.
> >>>
> >>> Cos
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 07:17PM, Olaf Flebbe wrote:
> >>>> Hi Cos,
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course anyone need permission to use trademark logos.
> >>>>
> >>>> The point is not logos itself. What is the message we want to share
?
> >>>>
> >>>> Bigtop should not claim that any entity is a downstream user of
> bigtop. We
> >>>> do not know for sure.  The downstream user itself should agree to be
> named
> >>>> here. I can live with the section "powered by" in the current
> website.  That
> >>>> page has a very differentiated view.  Maybe we can reuse this page
> optically
> >>>> pimped.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am very ok if Nate ask entities, if they approve to be named .
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe the Mission statement can be made clear:
> >>>>
> >>>> To provide a generic build system for a vanilla distribution of Apache
> >>>> Hadoop ecosystem projects, integrating other components early.
> >>>>
> >>>> Olaf
> >>>>
> >>>>> Am 17.05.2016 um 18:58 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Take it with as many graines of salt you want, but I don't think
> using logos
> >>>>> from someone's publicly available media kit for the purpose of
> referring to
> >>>>> the owner of it, requires any special permissions. But I'm not a
> lawyer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cos
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 02:02PM, nate@reactor8.com wrote:
> >>>>>> No official logo approval.  For having clear and concise
> communication about
> >>>>>> the project and what it provides to first time visitors feel
that
> will be
> >>>>>> the most important part of the homepage.  We went through similar
> >>>>>> conversation bit over a year ago when working through the flyer
> design and
> >>>>>> the number one thing in most conversations, and presentation
q&a's
> is
> >>>>>> usually along lines of "who is using it" and "what do you do
with
> it".   The
> >>>>>> resounding way to communicate that has been to say "x,y,z use
it as
> a base
> >>>>>> to build their distributions and custom component
> versions/packages...".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I can take on task of getting approvals, and can add a
> related/dependent
> >>>>>> jira for the main site one
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Olaf Flebbe [mailto:of@oflebbe.de]
> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:50 PM
> >>>>>> To: user@bigtop.apache.org
> >>>>>> Cc: dev@bigtop.apache.org
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: new bigtop website
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Nate,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I like the design very much! The big tents are very good!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But I would refrain from using the logos in the "powered by"
> section.  Do we
> >>>>>> have have permissions to use these trademarks? AFAIK we do not.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Olaf
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Am 16.05.2016 um 22:12 schrieb nate@reactor8.com:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hello Bigtoppers,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> During some downtime I rekindled the effort for new site
for the
> project.
> >>>>>> I based the initial design on ideas flushed out mid/late last
year
> and
> >>>>>> borrowing from the bigtop flyer we have been using the past
12+
> months at
> >>>>>> various events, as well as the workshop site/content I setup
for
> some past
> >>>>>> conference related events.  As such, the content is all in flux,
> including
> >>>>>> menu at top, this is meant to get the ball rolling
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Initial rev of design and homepage mock can be found here:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://kaiyzen.github.io/bigtop/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It is currently setup as a github pages project.  Given
some
> feedback on
> >>>>>> the list ways back with asf supporting it, and the great tooling
> around
> >>>>>> Jekyll, figured it was easiest for my dev and collaboration
> efforts.  As we
> >>>>>> get things finalized we can decide how the group wants to
> manage/host the
> >>>>>> new site
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am keeping notes that anyone who is interested in helping
on
> content can
> >>>>>> add to:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Bigtop+Website+Notes+and+
> >>>>>> Ideas
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Most important I feel will be the Getting Started content
which
> should
> >>>>>> fill in the average user(s) to carry out a lot of common tasks,
> centralizing
> >>>>>> the details.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I will update the old jira item with relevant content updates
and
> we can
> >>>>>> use that for tracking the finer details and delivery.  The rest
of
> this week
> >>>>>> will be some minor tweaks to design and fixing some cross browser
> and mobile
> >>>>>> related layout issues (mobile friendly on day 1 is the goal),
as
> well as
> >>>>>> starting to flush out the template/framework for getting started
> content
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>
>

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