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From Eric Baldeschwieler <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] BOM and supported platforms for Bigtop 0.4.0
Date Tue, 01 May 2012 05:10:07 GMT
Hi Roman,

Reasonable people could differ on the interpretation of the paragraph I quoted, but until
now my understanding of the aim of BigTop was to package Apache projects and that has been
what BigTop has done.

I take it from your response that you do want to extend (or clarify) the charter of BigTop
to include packaging of code that has not been contributed to Apache?

It seems like this does merit discussion what do others think?


PS Here is the incubation proposal again:

> Build, packaging and integration test code that depends upon official
> releases of the Apache Hadoop-related projects (HDFS, MapReduce,
> HBase, Hive, Pig, ZooKeeper, etc...) will be developed and released by
> this project. As bugs and other issues are found we expect these to be
> fixed upstream.

On Apr 30, 2012, at 9:39 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Eric Baldeschwieler
> <> wrote:
>> So you are suggesting expanding the charter to include projects not hosted at Apache?
> I don't think this is what Bruno suggested. Personally I can't find
> any reference in Bigtop
> charter that restricts it to Projects that belong to Apache Software
> Foundation. Honestly,
> now that I look at "Apache Hadoop-related projects" statement I
> realize that the way
> I parse is it this "(Apache Hadoop)-related projects". IOW, to my eyes
> "Apache" in that
> statement is not a free floating noun but part of the correct way to
> reference Hadoop project
> in an official document: "Apache Hadoop".
> That said, I can see how this can be confusing to somebody not privied
> to the more
> official monikers of Apache projects (I can relate -- I still have to
> make a mental
> effort to not forget adding [incubating] every time I mention Bigtop
> in an official context).
> So if you think a clarification is in order -- please suggest the
> wording that might work.
>> This is a new precedent and seems like it merits discussion.
> Sure. Bigtop is a 100% community driven project and you're more then
> welcome to join
> our community (we actually have a couple of cool projects that we can suggest to
> work on -- we always need extra help especially for improving our
> integration testing
> story).
> Now, in order to familiarize yourself with the project and where it is
> going it would be
> helpful to subscribe yourself to the development mailing list. On top
> of that, our wiki,
> while not ideal can, help somewhat.
> That's pretty much all there is to it. Follow the list/JIRAs (the Hue
> JIRA has existed
> for a couple of weeks now) and feel free to tap into the community's opinion via
> marking messages as [DISCUSS] or [VOTE].
> Hope this helps.
> Thanks,
> Roman.

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