Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-beehive-user-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 46432 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2004 22:07:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 8 Oct 2004 22:07:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 58720 invoked by uid 500); 8 Oct 2004 22:07:49 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-beehive-user-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 58665 invoked by uid 500); 8 Oct 2004 22:07:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact beehive-user-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: "Beehive Users" Delivered-To: mailing list beehive-user@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 58639 invoked by uid 99); 8 Oct 2004 22:07:48 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (hermes.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [63.96.162.5] (HELO ussjmh01.bea.com) (63.96.162.5) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 15:07:46 -0700 Received: from ussjfe02.amer.bea.com (ussjfe02b.bea.com [172.16.120.56]) by ussjmh01.bea.com (Switch-3.0.5/Switch-3.0.0) with ESMTP id i98M7hZL017125 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:07:43 -0700 Received: from USKIEX01.amer.bea.com ([10.32.32.15]) by ussjfe02.amer.bea.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:07:43 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Removing Beehive dependency on APT? Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:07:42 -0700 Message-ID: <4B2B4C417991364996F035E1EE39E2E101F14F72@uskiex01.amer.bea.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Removing Beehive dependency on APT? Thread-Index: AcStbvbehpzz8JYvQ5ym33PsUpGMLwABjMOgAAEKN5AAAZFFEA== From: "Mike Kaufman" To: "Beehive Users" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2004 22:07:43.0402 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C1C38A0:01C4AD83] X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N I agree w/ Kyle, except for the following: > -----Original Message----- > From: Kyle Marvin=20 >=20 > - A key long-term goal of Beehive is to provide a framework=20 > that is as tool-neutral and runtime-environment neutral as=20 > possible. This means that having hard ties to APT, JDT,=20 > Workshop, ... (on the tools side), or Tomcat, Axis, Weblogic=20 > Server, ... on the runtime container side are something to be=20 > avoided where possible. >=20 I don't think of APT as a hard-tie to a tooling interface, and I = definitely don't think it is something we want to move away from. Quite = the opposite actually. I think of APT as the interface that allows us = to not have hard ties to tooling environments. This is because = different tooling environments can implement APT interfaces, and control = authors can write their custom checkers to the APT APIs. The win here = is that control authors don't have to worry about which tooling = environments they run in, and IDE vendors won't have to worry about = which controls will run in their IDEs. Everyone goes home happy. =20 I think it is *really* important to have a single, common API for this = purpose. Otherwise, controls will be fragmented, w/ custom processors = written to run in specfic tooling environments. We definitely don't = want that. :( Mike