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From "Anne Thomas Manes" <a...@manes.net>
Subject RE: Is it for me? [Was: RE: Axis vs. IBM WSTK vs. Sun Java WSDP]
Date Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:51:26 GMT
The transport plug-ins are Axis-specific. Essentially you need to tell Axis
how to use JXTA. Then Axis can create your SOAP messages for you and
transfer them using JXTA. See the Axis Architecture Guide to get started.

Anne

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Elenius [mailto:danel698@student.liu.se]
> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 8:12 AM
> To: axis-user@ws.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Is it for me? [Was: RE: Axis vs. IBM WSTK vs. Sun Java
> WSDP]
>
>
> On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 14:02, Anne Thomas Manes wrote:
> > Daniel,
> >
> > I suggest that you ask this question on the JXTA list. As I
> recall, there
> > were a few folks playing with JXTA and SOAP a while ago.
> >
>
> I know. It seems quite dead now though, but they did use Axis.
>
> > So what is your goal? To use JXTA as your discovery/connection method? I
> > certainly don't see any problem transferring a SOAP message using JXTA.
> >
>
> Yes.
>
> > Axis provides a simple transport framework that permits you to
> use a variety
> > of transport protocols. So you can use it with HTTP, SMTP,
> Jabber, etc. I
> > don't know if anyone on this list has build a transport plug-in
> for JXTA.
> >
>
> Hmm... Are these "transport plug-ins" Java/Axis-specific? I thought it
> would be logical to define a JXTA SOAP binding much like the HTTP SOAP
> binding. Or are you saying both are needed? I.e. a SOAP-level binding
> that describes e.g. how the SOAP request-response mode correlates to
> JXTA communication, and a Axis-level plug-in to support this.
>
> > (Note that JXTA isn't really a transport -- it operates at a
> higher level
> > and can run over a variety of transports, but I think you could
> still use
> > JXTA as a SOAP transport.)
> >
>
> Well, I suppose you could use it at different levels. You could embed
> JXTA messages in SOAP messages just as well as the other way around. But
> what I am working on is service discovery in P2P networks and I thought
> WSDL and SOAP would be useful for describing services. I will also use
> DAML-S for semantic descriptions for the "web" services (actually p2p
> services in my case).
>
> Thank you for your input
> /Daniel
>
>
> > Anne
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Daniel Elenius [mailto:danel698@student.liu.se]
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 4:58 AM
> > > To: axis-user@ws.apache.org
> > > Subject: Is it for me? [Was: RE: Axis vs. IBM WSTK vs. Sun Java WSDP]
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you, Anne, that makes it a bit clearer.
> > >
> > > Now, maybe I should say what I need it for. I hope you, or
> someone else,
> > > can answer these questions. I am working on using WSDL and
> SOAP messages
> > > with JXTA (www.jxta.org) P2P networks.
> > >
> > > I think I can use Axis to easily create WSDL and SOAP
> messages from Java
> > > code, and the other way around (create Java interfaces of
> some sort from
> > > WSDL descriptions etc), right?
> > >
> > > I don't want to run http or application servers. Does Axis
> require this?
> > > Is the SOAP in JXTA always used with the HTTP binding? My code is
> > > supposed to run on resource-constrained devices (at least in a distant
> > > future).
> > >
> > > Which version of WSDL and SOAP does it support?
> > >
> > > regards,
> > > /daniel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 03:56, Anne Thomas Manes wrote:
> > > > I sound also mention that Macromedia and Borland both
> distribute Axis in
> > > > their products, too.
> > > >
> > > > Anne
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Anne Thomas Manes [mailto:anne@manes.net]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 8:32 PM
> > > > > To: axis-user@ws.apache.org
> > > > > Subject: RE: Axis vs. IBM WSTK vs. Sun Java WSDP
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > WSTK includes the binaries (not source) for Axis as well
> as wsdl4j,
> > > > > lotusXSL, uddi4j, and wsil4j. See
> > > > > http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/aw.nsf/reqs/webservicestoolkit.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anne
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Daniel Elenius [mailto:danel698@student.liu.se]
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 4:45 PM
> > > > > > To: axis-user@ws.apache.org
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Axis vs. IBM WSTK vs. Sun Java WSDP
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh. So WSTK is a proper superset of Axis?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > /Daniel
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 22:03, Doug Davis wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes and Yes.
> > > > > > > -Dug
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Barry Levinson <barry@levinson.us> on 02/12/2003
04:00:35 PM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please respond to axis-user@ws.apache.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To:    axis-user@ws.apache.org
> > > > > > > cc:
> > > > > > > Subject:    Re: Axis vs. IBM WSTK vs. Sun Java WSDP
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Doesn't IBM WSTK use Axis?  Isn't Axis distributed with
WSTK?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --Barry
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anne Thomas Manes wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Sun's implementation is not open source. It is a reference
> > > > > > implementation.
> > > > > > > >The source is available, but it isn't open source.
It is
> > > > > > subject to Sun's
> > > > > > > >source license.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >The original Apache SOAP project is based on IBM's
> > > SOAP4J submission.
> > > > > > > SOAP4J
> > > > > > > >was the first published SOAP implementation. It had
some
> > > > > architectural
> > > > > > > >limitations, so about 2 years ago, the SOAP team decided
to
> > > > > > initiate a new
> > > > > > > >project (Axis). Sun's JAX-RPC project didn't start
until
> > > a few months
> > > > > > > later.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >IBM WSTK is alphaWorks technology. alphaWorks technology
is
> > > > > > free, but not
> > > > > > > >necessarily open source. WSTK runs on either
> WebSphere or Tomcat.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Anne
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > >>From: Daniel Elenius [mailto:danel698@student.liu.se]
> > > > > > > >>Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 12:14 PM
> > > > > > > >>To: axis-user@ws.apache.org
> > > > > > > >>Subject: RE: Axis vs. IBM WSTK vs. Sun Java WSDP
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>And are Sun's and IBM's runtime environments not
> open source?
> > > > > > Does WSTK
> > > > > > > >>require WebSphere to run? If Sun's runtime is open
source,
> > > > > what is the
> > > > > > > >>motivation for this project?
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>/Daniel
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 18:04, Anne Thomas Manes
wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>>IBM WSTK is based on Axis.
> > > > > > > >>>Both Axis and JWSDP support the JAX-RPC API.
The
> tools are a
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>bit different,
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>>though. When you build a client or service
with one, you
> > > > > > must deploy it
> > > > > > > >>>using that system's runtime environment. For
that reason,
> > > > > > I'd recommend
> > > > > > > >>>using Axis.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>Anne
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>>-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > >>>>From: Daniel Elenius [mailto:danel698@student.liu.se]
> > > > > > > >>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:50
AM
> > > > > > > >>>>To: axis-user@ws.apache.org
> > > > > > > >>>>Subject: Axis vs. IBM WSTK vs. Sun Java
WSDP
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>Hi All!
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>I am new to web services, and I'd like
to ask a newbie
> > > > > > question. I am
> > > > > > > >>>>doing a project about integrating WSDL/SOAP
with JXTA
> > > > > (www.jxta.org).
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>How does Axis compare with IBM's Web Services
Toolkit and
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>Sun's Java Web
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>>>Services Developer Pack? Are they all compatible
somehow?
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>What features
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>>>differentiate them? As I understand, the current
JXTA-SOAP
> > > > > > >>>>implementation is based on Axis, so I'll probably
end up
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>using that, but
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>>>it would be interesting to know the differences.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>Regards,
> > > > > > >>>>--
> > > > > > >>>>Daniel Elenius <danel698@student.liu.se>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>--
> > > > > > >>Daniel Elenius <danel698@student.liu.se>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Daniel Elenius <danel698@student.liu.se>
> > > > >
> > > --
> > > Daniel Elenius <danel698@student.liu.se>
> > >
> --
> Daniel Elenius <danel698@student.liu.se>
>


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