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From Martin Gainty <>
Subject Re: Axis move to the Attic (was: Board concerns over Axis project reports - README)
Date Thu, 12 Oct 2017 02:26:20 GMT
the advantage of using axis is the ease of implementing a service with aar/mar compared to

Also Axis2 is much easier to implement than AWS (although AWS has obvious advantages with

i had some problems porting Axis as an ESB publisher and wound up
replacing Axis aars with CXF for a bank with worldwide operations that needed esb (with offices
in brasil no less)

Unfortunately when someone is over-worked and over-stressed (and under-appreciated)
a short curt response can be elicited..maybe that should be mitigated?

I think we should pull in the PMC Glen Daniels on what he thinks ..maybe Ted Husted can make

suggestions to work with MuleESB? also ReleaseManager dims is working with multilingual smartphones
..any advice on porting Axis services to work with smartphones..dims?

with regards to Axiom:

i vote to split Axiom from Axis and keep Axiom as a top-level ASF project..this would allow
devs to swap Axiom with other StaxParsers..thoughts?

also it is my belief Rampart should be split off to top-level ASF project hopefully to participate
in more recent advances in PKI..thoughts?



From: robertlazarski . <>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 7:09 PM
Cc:; Apache Axis PMC
Subject: Re: Axis move to the Attic (was: Board concerns over Axis project reports - README)

I was waiting for Andreas Veithen to reply since he is by far the most active contributor
to Axis2 currently.

I have a vested interest in Axis2 going forward as its used extensively by the company I work
for. The CVE questions that come up periodically with Axis2 and its dependencies are essential
for the project to continue, and I don't expect being in the attic will allow Axis2 to be
used in production projects.

I have been a committer to Axis2 since 2006. I contributed the Spring Framework support to
Axis2, ported the SOAP Monitor from Axis1 to Axis2, and wrote some docs explaining both of
these and also the Ant commands. This was all years go.

Since then I did respond to some recent security questions regarding the SOAP Monitor, and
I do help on the user list around once a month.

>From my perspective, we have at least 3 active members as we have had several releases
this year already. No problems voting. Because of any CVE's I always run the latest version
and dependencies, so I do test the releases.

The main problem as I see it, is no one has stepped up to take over the monthly Apache board
reports as required for the Axis2 project. I am not sure I am the right person for it, though
it doesn't seem hard.

As stated, I am hoping Andreas Veithen can share his thoughts.

Kind regards,

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 6:03 PM, Davanum Srinivas <<>>
+1 from me (Axis->Attic). Lot's of good memories :) Thanks Shane.

-- Dims

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Shane Curcuru <<>>
> (bcc: general@, c-dev@, board@ for FYI)
> Since there hasn't been any response to the below email by any PMC
> members (or indeed any community members), it may be time Axis to go to
> the Apache Attic, and turn the entire project read-only.
> To be blunt: if there are not three active PMC members to ensure that
> the board has quarterly reports and the project could vote on a
> potential security release, my estimate is that the board will move the
> entire Axis project to the Attic no later than the November board
> meeting, possibly earlier.
> I strongly urge any PMC members or even committers on the project to
> step up, propose a new PMC chair, and work on a report for the board ASAP.
> ---- Some perspective on why board reports are important ----
> In the governance model at the ASF the board delegates responsibility
> for managing projects to PMCs. To enable to board to provide oversight
> across the foundation, the the PMCs aretasked with providing the board
> with a quarterly report on the health of the project. The board has
> noticed that the reports for XXX have been missed for a number
> of months.
> The reports to the board are normally written by the PMC chair but all
> PMC members have an individual responsibility to ensure that a report is
> submitted. If the PMC chair is not available then any PMC member can
> submit the report. If you need help with this process, please reach out
> to<>
> Please ensure that a report for XXX is submitted to the board for the
> next meeting.
> If the PMC chair is not going to be available for an extended period of
> time it may make sense to rotate the PMC chair. Rotating the PMC chair
> does not mean the current chair has failed. People's situations and
> interests change, and rotation is good as it allows more people to
> become familiar with that role. Again, if assistance is required with
> this process, please feel free to reach out to<>
> As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity
> reduces to a level that the project is no longer sustainable. At Apache,
> projects reach this stage when there are no longer 3 active PMC members
> providing oversight. Projects that reach this stage are placed in the
> attic [1].  If XXX has reached this point, please reach out to the Attic
> project to arrange transfer. On the other hand, if your project is
> mostly dormant but still has at least three active PMC members it can
> stay in that state for as long as needed. If your project is in such a
> state, please mention that in your report and verify the PMC's state at
> regular intervals.
> Finally, if you have any questions please feel free to reach out to
> ----
> On 2017-09-20 10:31, Shane Curcuru <<>>
wrote: > (Note
> mixed private/public lists)
>> The ASF requires that any Apache project have at least three somewhat
>> active PMC members - such that they can do things like review patches,
>> and in particular vote to release a software update in case of security
>> issues.  To verify that Apache projects are still operating by ASF
>> policies, the board requires that each PMC provides a report of activity
>> and project health each quarter.
>> It's clear there's still some contributors wanting to work on Axis, but
>> lately, it's equally clear from watching the lack of acceptable reports
>> to the board that the PMC as a whole is not working out.
>> I strongly urge all PMC members still listening here to work out among
>> yourselves a plan to 1) choose a new project chair and recommend them to
>> the board ASAP and 2) engage with the contributors still here to review
>> their work and keep the project moving forward.
>> If the PMC (and/or committers on the project) can't show some obviously
>> organized energy at project management, then perhaps it's time for the
>> project as a whole to consider moving to the Attic soon.
> --
> - Shane

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