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From: Andreas Veithen <andreas.veithen@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:22:56 +0100
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Subject: Re: Release Rampart 1.5.1 in sync with Axis2 1.5.4
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If that uber-distribution is something separate from the Axis2 build
and if we have a volunteer to work on it (so that we can get a better
idea what this means in practice), then I have no objections.

Andreas

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 04:58, Ruwan Linton <ruwan.linton@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think there is no objection to this, so I will start on this distro as =
a
> subproject in axis2 on the trunk. I don't think we can get this distribut=
ion
> into the axis2 modules without a major structural change, so assume it is=
 OK
> to create a subproject for the distro and have svn externs to the axis2,
> rampart and sandesha and let them build before building the distro.
> Thanks,
> Ruwan
>
> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya
> <nandana.cse@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Ruwan Linton <ruwan.linton@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, even right now, One has to build the distribution module separate=
ly
>>> after building the axis2 project from the root pom. So in effect it is
>>> really a separate thing. I suggest we move the axis2 distribution into =
a
>>> separate subproject under Axis2. I really think that the Axis2 distro s=
hould
>>> have Rampart and Sandesha2 built into it. We can also decide on the
>>> transports that we need to add by default to this distro with this meth=
od.
>>
>> +1. I am sure it will be much easier for the users to have a distro with
>> Security & RM=A0built-in rather than downloading them separately and
>> installing them and they also=A0won't have to worry about which Rampart
>> version and which Sandesha version work with a given Axis2 version etc.
>> Best Regards,
>> Nandana
>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Samisa Abeysinghe
>>> <samisa.abeysinghe@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If it is too many logistics to build one pack, we can have separate
>>>> packs but release all three at the same time, at least few days apart
>>>>
>>>> Samisa...
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Andreas Veithen
>>>> <andreas.veithen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This would require again changes to the project structure and/or to
>>>>> the build and release system. I'm not in principle against this, but
>>>>> the issue I see with this is the following: In 2009 we moved the
>>>>> transports into a separate project and in 2010 we migrated to a new
>>>>> TLP. All this required lots of changes and it took a long time to
>>>>> complete this (the TLP migration is still not entirely complete). If
>>>>> we change the project structure every year and every time it takes
>>>>> months to complete this, then we will never reach a stable situation.
>>>>>
>>>>> My counterproposal is to keep things as they are in terms of project
>>>>> structure, but continue to streamline the release processes. We can
>>>>> then move to a release early, release often policy (as is happening
>>>>> right now with the Axis2 1.5 branch) and also have simultaneous
>>>>> releases (as I did for Sandesha2 and Axis2). This would allow us to
>>>>> keep the flexibility to postpone the release of one of the subproject=
s
>>>>> if there are blocking issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> To summarize: I think that the real pain point is not that we have
>>>>> separate subprojects, but that the release cycles are too long. This
>>>>> can only be solved by making the release process easier, more
>>>>> predictable and well documented.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andreas
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 05:09, Ruwan Linton <ruwan.linton@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > In the future how about bundling Rampart and Sandesha2 into the Axi=
s2
>>>>> > distribution itself? It is really part of Axis2 I guess. The recent
>>>>> > experience that I had with the Synapse release convinced me that
>>>>> > Rampart and
>>>>> > Sandesha2 are really part of Axis2? Why do't we create a one single
>>>>> > distribution with Rampart and Sandesh2 when we release Axis2.
>>>>> > May be I am hijacking this thread, but I guess this thread is there
>>>>> > also
>>>>> > because of the above issue of separately releasing the Rampart and
>>>>> > Sandesha2.
>>>>> > WDYT?
>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>> > Ruwan
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Thilina Mahesh Buddhika
>>>>> > <thilinamb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe
>>>>> >> <samisa.abeysinghe@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> We have fixed loads of Rampart issues yesterday and we will be ab=
le
>>>>> >>> to
>>>>> >>> fix some more today as well.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> How about a release ASAP? I think users will benefit by having
>>>>> >>> latest
>>>>> >>> rampart working with latest Axis2.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> +1.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> We can do this release based on the recently released WSS4J 1.5.10=
.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Thanks,
>>>>> >> Thilina
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Samisa...
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > Ruwan Linton
>>>>> > Software Architect & Product Manager, WSO2 ESB; http://wso2.org/esb
>>>>> > WSO2 Inc.; http://wso2.org
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
>>>>> >
>>>>> > phone: +1 408 754 7388 ext 51789
>>>>> > email: ruwan@wso2.com; cell: +94 77 341 3097
>>>>> > blog: http://blog.ruwan.org
>>>>> > linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/ruwanlinton
>>>>> > google: http://www.google.com/profiles/ruwan.linton
>>>>> > tweet: http://twitter.com/ruwanlinton
>>>>> >
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> WSO2 Inc.; http://wso2.org
>>>
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>>>
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>>
>
>
>
> --
> Ruwan Linton
> Software Architect & Product Manager
> WSO2 Inc.; http://wso2.org
>
> Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
>
> phone: +1 408 754 7388 ext 51789
> email: ruwan@wso2.com; cell: +94 77 341 3097
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