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From Sanjiva Weerawarana <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Axis2 as TLP
Date Fri, 28 Nov 2008 05:36:19 GMT
Deepal, this vote was called when there *clearly* was no consensus in the 
axis2 community on what constituted the right TLP. I don't know who's 
schedule we were running to but that's not right. Furthermore, a lot of 
conversation on that thread was not done in a proper, civil manner.

That's why I voted -1.

I am going to respond to the new thread- I'm happy to help shape a new TLP 
proposal that has a better chance of getting consensus. This is not about 
winning a vote but rather achieving consensus - that's why I was so 
disappointed that the previous vote was called for ... this is a project 
that has been around for like 7-8 years (?) and we are trying to rush into 
a breakup plan. Makes no sense to me.


Deepal jayasinghe wrote:
> keith chapman wrote:
>> -1 (binding)
>> As the discussion shows we are clearly not ready yet. 
> What is your definition for ready ? do you think any project which
> graduated as TLPs were ready ? . Not only that we can find a number of
> project which are in TLP still not ready (compared to Axis2 ).  Honestly
> I do not know the Apache policy for graduating a project as TLP ,
> specially what level of ready they are looking for. If we wait till
> project to be get ready before moving to TLP I am sure Apache will not
> have any of the TLPs.
> And if you vote based on that (ready or not ready) I know you will never
> +1 for Axis2 as TLP.
>> I guess making Axis2 a
>> TLP at the moment will just increase the complexity than giving any added
>> value.
> I do not understand this , do you think after we move Axiom , rampart
> and Neethi from Axis2 to WS complexity increased ? of course not. More
> and more people started to use Axiom and Neethi after that. I think even
> ODE will not use Axiom unless we move that as a TLP in WS (top level
> subproject in WS).
> Thank you!
> Deepal
>> Thanks,
>> Keith.
>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Glen Daniels <> wrote:
>>> Folks:
>>> Discussion seems to have died down about the TLP proposal, and I think we
>>> heard a lot of valuable viewpoints during the conversation.  At this point,
>>> I think it's time to VOTE on the idea and see where we're at.
>>> I've described what we're voting on on the wiki page [1], and will include
>>> it here as well:
>>> * Restructure Axis2 as an independent TLP, containing subprojects that
>>> *directly* relate to Axis2 - these include all the Modules and Transports.
>>> This ends up being a reasonably sized and well-focused project.
>>> * Once Axis2 is split out, we'll move the "sub-sub-projects" inside
>>> WS-Commons (Axiom, Neethi, XmlSchema) up to be WS subprojects. This will
>>> also involve making sure that the SVN authorizations are appropriately
>>> granular.
>>> * We'll then do a review of the remaining projects inside WS and based on
>>> that, decide whether any further action is needed. Such actions might
>>> include promoting more projects to TLPs, or retiring stagnant codebases.
>>> Please chime in with your VOTE on this (and indicate binding/non-binding
>>> depending on whether you are a PMC member).
>>> Here's my +1 (binding).
>>> Thanks,
>>> --Glen
>>> [1]

Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D.
Founder & Director; Lanka Software Foundation;
Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.;
Member; Apache Software Foundation;
Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa;


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