Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-ws-axis-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 10041 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2008 05:01:31 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Mar 2008 05:01:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 65771 invoked by uid 500); 6 Mar 2008 05:01:25 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-ws-axis-dev-archive@ws.apache.org Received: (qmail 65461 invoked by uid 500); 6 Mar 2008 05:01:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact axis-dev-help@ws.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: axis-dev@ws.apache.org list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list axis-dev@ws.apache.org Received: (qmail 65449 invoked by uid 99); 6 Mar 2008 05:01:24 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:01:24 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.2 required=10.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [209.85.146.180] (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.180) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 05:00:45 +0000 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k22so2195564waf.18 for ; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:00:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.94.1 with SMTP id w1mr6060321wal.85.1204779654971; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:00:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.72.16 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 21:00:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <21b34680803052100v45d32672m732219f87e9a2fa7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 00:00:54 -0500 From: "Eran Chinthaka" Sender: chinthaka@chinthaka.org To: axis-dev@ws.apache.org Subject: Re: [Axis2] Moving Axis2 code base into JDK 1.5 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_Part_10279_11256385.1204779654958" References: <47C574D1.4040205@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: a1f5acac1ebf9099 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org ------=_Part_10279_11256385.1204779654958 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10280_5062235.1204779654958" ------=_Part_10280_5062235.1204779654958 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Rich, Are we thinking of changing API also to use generics and other jdk 1.5specific things. I think this is an orthogonal issue w.r.t. the movement towards jdk 1.5. I am +1 for moving in to jdk 1.5 but 0- on changing the APIs, all of a sudden. As Sanjiva mentioned, lets use jdk 1.5 features inside, but let's not change APIs. For example, I my self use JDK 1.5 everywhere I use Axiom. So this transition is not a problem for me. But if some one changes interfaces, that will affect me a lot. Thanks, Eran Chinthaka On 2/29/08, R J Scheuerle Jr wrote: > > +0 > > If we move to JDK 1.5 and start using generics on exposed interfaces (like > Axiom), then customers will need to move up to Java 1.5. > > Thanks, > > Rich Scheuerle > IBM Web Services > Apache Axis2 (scheu@apache.org) > 512-838-5115 (IBM TL 678-5115) > [image: Inactive hide details for Davanum Srinivas ]Davanum > Srinivas > > > > *Davanum Srinivas * > > 02/27/2008 08:33 AM Please respond to > axis-dev@ws.apache.org > > > To > > axis-dev@ws.apache.org > cc > > > Subject > > Re: [Axis2] Moving Axis2 code base into JDK 1.5 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Jeff, > > yep. All 3 points are status quo w.r.t Axis2 1.3. > > - -- dims > > Jeff Barrett wrote: > | Hi Folks, > | > | If we choose to stay on 1.4, remember that JAXWS requires Java 1.5 (due > to > | the spec-required use of generics). I think there are a couple of > modules > | that require Java 1.5 to build. Also note that in order to run the > JAXWS > | 2.1 TCK, that will also require Java 1.5 since the TCK will test the use > | of generics. > | > | So, staying on Java 1.4 and supporting JAXWS probably means something > | like: > | - We have to be building with Java 1.5 to get JAXWS built > | - We state that Axis2 can be run on 1.4 without JAXWS (as was true in > the > | past) > | - To use Axis2 with JAXWS, you have to use Java 1.5 > | > | Thanks, > | Jeff > | > | IBM Software Group - WebSphere Web Services Development > | Phone: 512-838-4587 or Tie Line 678-4587 > | Internet e-mail and Sametime ID: barrettj@us.ibm.com > | > | > | > | "Jeremy Hughes" > | Sent by: jpjhughes@gmail.com > | 02/27/2008 05:15 AM > | Please respond to > | axis-dev@ws.apache.org > | > | > | To > | axis-user@ws.apache.org > | cc > | "axis-dev@ws.apache.org" > | Subject > | Re: [Axis2] Moving Axis2 code base into JDK 1.5 > | > | > | > | > | > | > | +1 to moving to Java 5. I think maintenance releases could be key in > | keeping those users tied to Java 1.4, interested in Axis2 until > | they're ready to move up to Java 5 themselves. > | > | Jeremy > | > | On 27/02/2008, Paul Fremantle wrote: > |> Yes I guess that makes sense. > |> However, its most likely that we would roll up whatever is in the > | trunk. > |> I guess that there might be also end up being a 1.4.1 maintenance > |> release as well. > |> > |> > |> Paul > |> > |> > |> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Michele Mazzucco > |> wrote: > |> > Paul, > |> > > |> > if so, I think release 1.4 should focus on fixing as much bugs as > |> > possible, not on adding new features. > |> > > |> > Michele > |> > > |> > > |> > > |> > On 27 Feb 2008, at 09:59, Paul Fremantle wrote: > |> > > |> > > My concern is that I think there has been a lot of work done > since > | the > |> > > last release and the JDK1.4 users will never get that benefit. > |> > > > |> > > So - how about this for a plan. > |> > > > |> > > Release 1.4 asap based on JDK 1.4. > |> > > Then do a 1.5 release *very soon after* based on JDK1.5. > |> > > > |> > > That way even the names match :) > |> > > > |> > > Axis2 1.4 can be the last major release targeted at JDK1.4. > |> > > > |> > > As for 1.5, I think in fact it will need two releases - once we > | start > |> > > targeting 1.5 we probably need to do some 1.5 specific stuff like > |> > > generating code that takes advantage of generics. > |> > > > |> > > Paul > |> > > > |> > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:28 AM, Dennis Sosnoski > | > |> > > wrote: > |> > >> From my experiences working with companies moving to Axis2 I'd > | say > |> > >> about half are still using JDK 1.4. If they can't count on that > |> > >> support > |> > >> being maintained I think they're likely to reconsider adopting > |> > >> Axis2. > |> > >> Just having an archived 1.3 version of Axis2 won't be enough to > |> > >> convince > |> > >> them, unless they're already committed to moving to JDK 1.5 > | anyway. > |> > >> > |> > >> It seems like bad timing to give up one of the major advantages > |> > >> of Axis2 > |> > >> over the Glassfish code and such. So -0 from me. > |> > >> > |> > >> - Dennis > |> > >> > |> > >> -- > |> > >> Dennis M. Sosnoski > |> > >> SOA and Web Services in Java > |> > >> Axis2 Training and Consulting > |> > >> http://www.sosnoski.com - http://www.sosnoski.co.nz > |> > >> Seattle, WA +1-425-939-0576 - Wellington, NZ +64-4-298-6117 > |> > >> > |> > >> > |> > >> > |> > >> > |> > >> > |> > >> Deepal Jayasinghe wrote: > |> > >>> Hi all , > |> > >>> > |> > >>> As you might remember few months back Glen asked the list about > |> > >>> moving > |> > >>> to JDK 1.5 and I think we got very positive feedback. So I > |> > >>> thought of > |> > >>> asking again and change the code to work with JDK 1.5 . The > main > |> > >>> reason behind sending this mail is due the dependency we have > | for > |> > >>> annogen. As I can see that project is dead one and there is no > |> > >>> development happening so I do not think it is a good idea to > |> > >>> depend on > |> > >>> such a project. In the meantime we have few issues with annogen > | as > |> > >>> well ,first inner class problem (I have locally fixed that > both > | in > |> > >>> Axis2 and Annogen will commit soon) , second is the final class > |> > >>> problem. I request a release from annogen after the changes > that > |> > >>> Dims > |> > >>> did , but we did not get any reply so far. > |> > >>> > |> > >>> We all know that we get better annotation support from JDK 1.5 > | so if > |> > >>> we move to JDK 1.5 we can get rid of the annogen dependency and > |> > >>> we can > |> > >>> just use JDK for annotation processing. Other problem is > | generic > |> > >>> support , if we move to JDK 1.5 we can have generic support in > | our > |> > >>> POJOs. In addition to POJO we can get better concurrent > support > | in > |> > >>> JDK 1.5 as well. > |> > >>> > |> > >>> So if we move to JDK 1.5 we can get better support , and I do > | not > |> > >>> think any advantage of staying in 1.4 . If some user want to > use > |> > >>> Axis2 > |> > >>> in JDK 1.4 they can happily use Axis2 1.3 , which is very > stable > |> > >>> version and working fine in 1.4 and 1.5. > |> > >>> > |> > >>> If any user or developers have any concern on moving to JDK 1.5 > |> > >>> please > |> > >>> come forward and reply to this mail that will be very helpful > | for > |> > >>> all > |> > >>> of us. > |> > >>> > |> > >>> Here is my +1 for moving to JDK 1.5 to and release Axis2 1.4 in > |> > >>> JDK 1.5 > |> > >>> > |> > >>> Thank you, > |> > >>> Deepal > |> > >>> > |> > >>> > |> > >>> > | -------------------------------------------------------------------- > |> > >>> - > |> > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: axis-user-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org > |> > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: axis-user-help@ws.apache.org > |> > >>> > |> > >> > |> > >> > |> > >> > | --------------------------------------------------------------------- > |> > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: axis-user-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org > |> > >> For additional commands, e-mail: axis-user-help@ws.apache.org > |> > >> > |> > >> > |> > > > |> > > > |> > > > |> > > -- > |> > > Paul Fremantle > |> > > Co-Founder and VP of Technical Sales, WSO2 > |> > > OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair > |> > > > |> > > blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org > |> > > paul@wso2.com > |> > > > |> > > "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com > |> > > > |> > > > | --------------------------------------------------------------------- > |> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: axis-user-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org > |> > > For additional commands, e-mail: axis-user-help@ws.apache.org > |> > > > |> > > |> > > |> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > |> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: axis-user-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org > |> > For additional commands, e-mail: axis-user-help@ws.apache.org > |> > > |> > > |> > |> > |> > |> -- > |> Paul Fremantle > |> Co-Founder and VP of Technical Sales, WSO2 > |> OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair > |> > |> blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org > |> paul@wso2.com > |> > |> "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com > |> > |> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > |> To unsubscribe, e-mail: axis-user-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org > |> For additional commands, e-mail: axis-user-help@ws.apache.org > |> > |> > | > | --------------------------------------------------------------------- > | To unsubscribe, e-mail: axis-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org > | For additional commands, e-mail: axis-dev-help@ws.apache.org > | > | > | > | > | --------------------------------------------------------------------- > | To unsubscribe, e-mail: axis-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org > | For additional commands, e-mail: axis-dev-help@ws.apache.org > | > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Cygwin) > > iD8DBQFHxXTRgNg6eWEDv1kRAj/zAJwI2YhqdbFLXp9+PTaH9tWGKF/BzQCg6SOW > WJhsDffNlUFzv8zPmbrgVPA= > =EkRD > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: axis-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: axis-dev-help@ws.apache.org > > > > ------=_Part_10280_5062235.1204779654958 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Rich,

Are we thinking of changing API also to use generics and other jdk 1.5 specific things. I think this is an orthogonal issue w.r.t. the movement towards jdk 1.5.
I am +1 for moving in to jdk 1.5 but 0- on changing the APIs, all of a sudden. As Sanjiva mentioned, lets use jdk 1.5 features inside, but let's not change APIs.

For example, I my self use JDK 1.5 everywhere I use Axiom. So this transition is not a problem for me. But if some one changes interfaces, that will affect me a lot.

Thanks,
Eran Chinthaka

On 2/29/08, R J Scheuerle Jr <scheu@us.ibm.com> wrote:

+0

If we move to JDK 1.5 and start using generics on exposed interfaces (like Axiom), then customers will need to move up to Java 1.5.

Thanks,

Rich Scheuerle
IBM Web Services
Apache Axis2 (scheu@apache.org)
512-838-5115 (IBM TL 678-5115)
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Jeff,

yep. All 3 points are status quo w.r.t Axis2 1.3.

- -- dims

Jeff Barrett wrote:
| Hi Folks,
|
| If we choose to stay on 1.4, remember that JAXWS requires Java 1.5 (due to
| the spec-required use of generics).  I think there are a couple of modules
| that require Java 1.5 to build.  Also note that in order to run the JAXWS
| 2.1 TCK, that will also require Java 1.5 since the TCK will test the use
| of generics.
|
| So, staying on Java 1.4 and supporting JAXWS probably means something
| like:
| - We have to be building with Java 1.5  to get JAXWS built
| - We state that Axis2 can be run on 1.4 without JAXWS (as was true in the
| past)
| - To use Axis2 with JAXWS, you have to use Java 1.5
|
| Thanks,
| Jeff
|
| IBM Software Group - WebSphere Web Services Development
| Phone: 512-838-4587 or Tie Line 678-4587
| Internet e-mail and Sametime ID: barrettj@us.ibm.com
|
|
|
| "Jeremy Hughes" <hughesj@apache.org>
| Sent by: jpjhughes@gmail.com
| 02/27/2008 05:15 AM
| Please respond to
| axis-dev@ws.apache.org
|
|
| To
| axis-user@ws.apache.org
| cc
| "axis-dev@ws.apache.org" <axis-dev@ws.apache.org>
| Subject
| Re: [Axis2] Moving Axis2 code base into JDK 1.5
|
|
|
|
|
|
| +1 to moving to Java 5. I think maintenance releases could be key in
| keeping those users tied to Java 1.4, interested in Axis2 until
| they're ready to move up to Java 5 themselves.
|
| Jeremy
|
| On 27/02/2008, Paul Fremantle <pzfreo@gmail.com> wrote:
|> Yes I guess that makes sense.
|>  However, its most likely that we would roll up whatever is in the
| trunk.
|>  I guess that there might be also end up being a 1.4.1 maintenance
|>  release as well.
|>
|>
|>  Paul
|>
|>
|>  On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Michele Mazzucco
|>  <Michele.Mazzucco@ncl.ac.uk> wrote:
|>  > Paul,
|>  >
|>  >  if so, I think release 1.4 should focus on fixing as much bugs as
|>  >  possible, not on adding new features.
|>  >
|>  >  Michele
|>  >
|>  >
|>  >
|>  >  On 27 Feb 2008, at 09:59, Paul Fremantle wrote:
|>  >
|>  >  > My concern is that I think there has been a lot of work done since
| the
|>  >  > last release and the JDK1.4 users will never get that benefit.
|>  >  >
|>  >  > So - how about this for a plan.
|>  >  >
|>  >  > Release 1.4 asap based on JDK 1.4.
|>  >  > Then do a 1.5 release *very soon after* based on JDK1.5.
|>  >  >
|>  >  > That way even the names match :)
|>  >  >
|>  >  > Axis2 1.4 can be the last major release targeted at JDK1.4.
|>  >  >
|>  >  > As for 1.5, I think in fact it will need two releases - once we
| start
|>  >  > targeting 1.5 we probably need to do some 1.5 specific stuff like
|>  >  > generating code that takes advantage of generics.
|>  >  >
|>  >  > Paul
|>  >  >
|>  >  > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:28 AM, Dennis Sosnoski
| <dms@sosnoski.com>
|>  >  > wrote:
|>  >  >>  From my experiences working with companies moving to Axis2 I'd
| say
|>  >  >>  about half are still using JDK 1.4. If they can't count on that
|>  >  >> support
|>  >  >>  being maintained I think they're likely to reconsider adopting
|>  >  >> Axis2.
|>  >  >>  Just having an archived 1.3 version of Axis2 won't be enough to
|>  >  >> convince
|>  >  >>  them, unless they're already committed to moving to JDK 1.5
| anyway.
|>  >  >>
|>  >  >>  It seems like bad timing to give up one of the major advantages
|>  >  >> of Axis2
|>  >  >>  over the Glassfish code and such. So -0 from me.
|>  >  >>
|>  >  >>   - Dennis
|>  >  >>
|>  >  >>  --
|>  >  >>  Dennis M. Sosnoski
|>  >  >>  SOA and Web Services in Java
|>  >  >>  Axis2 Training and Consulting
|>  >  >>  http://www.sosnoski.com - http://www.sosnoski.co.nz
|>  >  >>  Seattle, WA +1-425-939-0576 - Wellington, NZ +64-4-298-6117
|>  >  >>
|>  >  >>
|>  >  >>
|>  >  >>
|>  >  >>
|>  >  >>  Deepal Jayasinghe wrote:
|>  >  >>> Hi all ,
|>  >  >>>
|>  >  >>> As you might remember few months back Glen asked the list about
|>  >  >>> moving
|>  >  >>> to JDK 1.5 and I think we got very positive feedback. So I
|>  >  >>> thought of
|>  >  >>> asking again and change the code to work with JDK 1.5 . The main
|>  >  >>> reason behind sending this mail is due the dependency we have
| for
|>  >  >>> annogen. As I can see that project is dead one and there is no
|>  >  >>> development happening so I do not think it is a good idea to
|>  >  >>> depend on
|>  >  >>> such a project. In the meantime we have few issues with annogen
| as
|>  >  >>> well ,first  inner class problem (I have locally fixed that both
| in
|>  >  >>> Axis2 and Annogen will commit soon) , second is the final class
|>  >  >>> problem. I request a release from annogen after the changes that
|>  >  >>> Dims
|>  >  >>> did , but we did not get any reply so far.
|>  >  >>>
|>  >  >>> We all know that we get better annotation support from JDK 1.5
| so if
|>  >  >>> we move to JDK 1.5 we can get rid of the annogen dependency and
|>  >  >>> we can
|>  >  >>> just use JDK for annotation processing.  Other problem is
| generic
|>  >  >>> support , if we move to JDK 1.5 we can have generic support in
| our
|>  >  >>> POJOs.  In addition to POJO we can get better concurrent support
| in
|>  >  >>> JDK 1.5 as well.
|>  >  >>>
|>  >  >>> So if we move to JDK 1.5 we can get better support , and I do
| not
|>  >  >>> think any advantage of staying in 1.4 . If some user want to use
|>  >  >>> Axis2
|>  >  >>> in JDK 1.4 they can happily use Axis2 1.3 , which is very stable
|>  >  >>> version and working fine in 1.4 and 1.5.
|>  >  >>>
|>  >  >>> If any user or developers have any concern on moving to JDK 1.5
|>  >  >>> please
|>  >  >>> come forward and reply to this mail that will be very helpful
| for
|>  >  >>> all
|>  >  >>> of us.
|>  >  >>>
|>  >  >>> Here is my +1 for moving to JDK 1.5 to and release Axis2 1.4 in
|>  >  >>> JDK 1.5
|>  >  >>>
|>  >  >>> Thank you,
|>  >  >>> Deepal
|>  >  >>>
|>  >  >>>
|>  >  >>>
| --------------------------------------------------------------------
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|>  >  >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: axis-user-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org
|>  >  >>> For additional commands, e-mail: axis-user-help@ws.apache.org
|>  >  >>>
|>  >  >>
|>  >  >>
|>  >  >>
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|>  >  >>
|>  >  >>
|>  >  >
|>  >  >
|>  >  >
|>  >  > --
|>  >  > Paul Fremantle
|>  >  > Co-Founder and VP of Technical Sales, WSO2
|>  >  > OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair
|>  >  >
|>  >  > blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org
|>  >  > paul@wso2.com
|>  >  >
|>  >  > "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com
|>  >  >
|>  >  >
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|>  >
|>
|>
|>
|>  --
|>  Paul Fremantle
|>  Co-Founder and VP of Technical Sales, WSO2
|>  OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair
|>
|>  blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org
|>  paul@wso2.com
|>
|>  "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com
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