Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-ws-axis-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 42753 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2007 06:30:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 10 Dec 2007 06:30:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 86484 invoked by uid 500); 10 Dec 2007 06:30:41 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-ws-axis-dev-archive@ws.apache.org Received: (qmail 86423 invoked by uid 500); 10 Dec 2007 06:30:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact axis-dev-help@ws.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: axis-dev@ws.apache.org list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list axis-dev@ws.apache.org Received: (qmail 86411 invoked by uid 99); 10 Dec 2007 06:30:41 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:30:41 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=10.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS,TVD_FW_GRAPHIC_NAME_MID X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of nlgallar@us.ibm.com designates 32.97.110.154 as permitted sender) Received: from [32.97.110.154] (HELO e36.co.us.ibm.com) (32.97.110.154) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:30:37 +0000 Received: from d03relay02.boulder.ibm.com (d03relay02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.227]) by e36.co.us.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lBA6UFqa029804 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 01:30:15 -0500 Received: from d03av04.boulder.ibm.com (d03av04.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.170]) by d03relay02.boulder.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v8.7) with ESMTP id lBA6UFkA153382 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:30:15 -0700 Received: from d03av04.boulder.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d03av04.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id lBA6UFga006733 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:30:15 -0700 Received: from d03nm118.boulder.ibm.com (d03nm118.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.144]) by d03av04.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lBA6UEjH006707 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:30:14 -0700 In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Axis2 architecture documentation To: axis-dev@ws.apache.org X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0 HF277 June 21, 2006 Message-ID: From: Nicholas L Gallardo Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:30:07 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D03NM118/03/M/IBM(Release 8.0|August 02, 2007) at 12/09/2007 23:30:13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/related; Boundary="0__=08BBF93EDFB27FFA8f9e8a93df938690918c08BBF93EDFB27FFA" X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --0__=08BBF93EDFB27FFA8f9e8a93df938690918c08BBF93EDFB27FFA Content-type: multipart/alternative; Boundary="1__=08BBF93EDFB27FFA8f9e8a93df938690918c08BBF93EDFB27FFA" --1__=08BBF93EDFB27FFA8f9e8a93df938690918c08BBF93EDFB27FFA Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable So, there are a few different things at play here. With respect to not needing SOAP, you're right. REST is a departure fr= om SOAP and the existing view of a structured format for the message paylo= ad. Data can be exchanged in whatever format you like (raw, XML, JSON, etc.= ). Given that, the goal of the JSR is to provide a set of standard Java AP= Is that would better support developing RESTful applications than what exi= sts today. There are ways to pull it off today with some of the standard J= ava APIs, but it's cumbersome. This is certainly a big piece to bite off for a first thing to work on.= As David suggested earlier... it might be best to just start by scratchin= g an itch and finding a few JIRAs that might seem interesting. Just my two cents though... Regards, -Nick = "Wesley Mesquita" = = To axis-dev@ws.apache.org = 12/08/2007 06:03 = cc AM = Subj= ect Re: Axis2 architecture = Please respond to documentation = axis-dev@ws.apach = e.org = = = = = So, as I understood, REST goes in a different way from that we are deal= ing with WS today in the sense that we wouldn=B4t deppend of technologies = like SOAP, and explore Java lower level APIs, is this right? On Dec 7, 2007 12:45 PM, Nicholas L Gallardo wrot= e: Wesley, Here's the page for the JSR. http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=3D311 As Sanjiva mentioned, the JSR is still in progress so there's potenti= al for what you see today to be different by the time the spec is comple= te. Take a look at the JSR and I guess just start asking questions. Before diving into that JSR though, I would Google around and become familiar with the concepts of REST. That will help put some of the JS= R lingo into context. Another thing you could do to get familiar with t= he concept is to build a REST service/client using the existing Axis2 AP= Is. Please ask away if you have any questions. Cheers, -Nick Inactive hide details for "Wesley Mesquita" "Wesley Mesquita" < wesleymesquita@gmail.com> = "Wesley = Mesquita" < = wesleymesquita@ = gmail.com> = To = axis-dev@ws.a= pac 12/06/2007 he.org = 03:25 PM = = cc = = Subj= ect = Please respond to Re: Axis2 = axis-dev@ws.apache.org architecture = documentation= = = = = = = Interesting, I know a little bit of the concepts of REST arch, but I=B4= ve never worked with JSR. If you can tell me where to start I can learn = more about this, and I=B4ll try to do something in the implementation. Wesley. On Dec 6, 2007 11:54 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: How about implementing JSR-311? That's the new REST annotations= JSR. Its a new feature, so its relatively easy .. but u'll need the deployment architecture etc.. But its a fun project and will be useful whe= n done (the JSR is still in progress). Sanjiva. Wesley Mesquita wrote: > > > On Dec 6, 2007 7:31 AM, David Illsley > wrote: > > Hi Wesley, It's great to have someone interested in working o= n Axis2. > Welcome. I guess I'd suggest you try to 'scratch an itch'. Yo= u mention > you've been using Axis2.... is there anything that was really= hard to > do? > > > Well, there some people in my lab ( www.lis.ic.unicamp.br. > ) that have used Axis 1.x in th= eir works > (I know tree MScs that used) , and during the last three mont= hs I have > tried to use Axis2 to create Web Services from java classes. = I explored > better the POJO method and I did some scripts to automatize t= he aar > packages creation. My objective is allow the users to send th= eir classes > and the service will be deployed in Axis2 environment. I made= just > simple tests, but I think I=B4ll have problems in more comple= x classes > (using serialization, attachments and so on). But my new challenge is to > find an easy way to create clients. I am exploring the method= s described > in the site but I still didn=B4t find this "easy way." > > Anything you found you couldn't do that you'd like to be able= to > > do? > David > > > I was able (in a hard or simple way) to do everything I neede= d. But, > like in almost all projects I=B4ll find something that I can=B4= t do, but, > for now, I don=B4t know what is this :). > > thanks, > > Wesley > > > On Dec 5, 2007 2:56 PM, Wesley Mesquita < wesleymesquita@gmail.com > > wrote: > > I have never worked in a Open Source project, so I don't kn= ow how > to get > > really involved just seeing the JIRA's messages, because I still > dont have a > > good view of the areas that these problems are associated. = For > now, I would > > like to get simple tasks (in a small or big "thing"). The b= est > would be if > > someone can tell me an area to get involved (study documentation, > code) and > > so, try to develop sometrhing. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > On Dec 5, 2007 12:44 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana > > wrote= : > > > > > > Wesley Mesquita wrote: > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > > > > > I am using Axis2 in my scientific work at University, a= nd > will be very > > > > useful the documentation about the architecture of Axis= 2. I > looked at > > > > the site and I didn't found anything like this. > > > > > > > > PS : Are there any open problems in axis2 or anything > specific that you > > > > (the developers team) want people to work ? I am lookin= g for > a open > > > > source project to work in my summer vacation. > > > > > > There's a bunch of areas that you can work on! Do you fee= l like > doing a > > > small thing or something "large"? The best way is to look= at > some of the > > > pending JIRAs and tackle some small things to get started= on. > > > > > > If you want specific big ideas holler again and I'll come= up > with some > > items! > > > > > > Sanjiva. > > > -- > > > Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D. > > > Founder & Director; Lanka Software Foundation; > http://www.opensource.lk/. > > > Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://www.wso2.com/= > > > Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org= / > > > Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa; > http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/. > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------= ------ > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: axis-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.or= g. > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: axis-dev-help@ws.apache.= org. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Wesley Mesquita > > LIS/IC - UNICAMP > > [skype: wesley.mesquita] > > > > -- > David Illsley - IBM Web Services Development > > ---------------------------------------------------------------= ------ > To unsubscribe, e-mail: axis-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org. > > For additional commands, e-mail: axis-dev-help@ws.apache.org.= > > > > > > -- > Wesley Mesquita > LIS/IC - UNICAMP > [skype: wesley.mesquita] -- Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D. Founder & Director; Lanka Software Foundation; http://www.opensource.lk/. Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://www.wso2.com/ Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/ Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa; http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/. ---------------------------------------------------------------= ------ To unsubscribe, e-mail: axis-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org. For additional commands, e-mail: axis-dev-help@ws.apache.org -- Wesley Mesquita LIS/IC - UNICAMP [skype: wesley.mesquita] -- Wesley Mesquita LIS/IC - UNICAMP [skype: wesley.mesquita]= --1__=08BBF93EDFB27FFA8f9e8a93df938690918c08BBF93EDFB27FFA Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

So, there are a few different things at play here.

With respect to not needing SOAP, you're right. REST is a departure fr= om SOAP and the existing view of a structured format for the message pa= yload. Data can be exchanged in whatever format you like (raw, XML, JS= ON, etc.).

Given that, the goal of the JSR is to provide a set of standard Java AP= Is that would better support developing RESTful applications than what = exists today. There are ways to pull it off today with some of the sta= ndard Java APIs, but it's cumbersome.

This is certainly a big piece to bite off for a first thing to work on.= As David suggested earlier... it might be best to just start by scra= tching an itch and finding a few JIRAs that might seem interesting. Ju= st my two cents though...

Regards,

-Nick


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    Wesley,

    Here's the page for the JSR.     = http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=3D311
    As Sanjiva mentioned, the JSR is still in progress so there's potential= for what you see today to be different by the time the spec is complet= e. Take a look at the JSR and I guess just start asking questions.

    Before diving into that JSR though, I would Google around and become fa= miliar with the concepts of REST. That will help put some of the JSR li= ngo into context. Another thing you could do to get familiar with the c= oncept is to build a REST service/client using the existing Axis2 APIs.=

    Please ask away if you have any questions.

    Cheers,

    -Nick



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    Interesting, I know a little bit of the concepts of REST arch, but I=B4= ve never worked with JSR. If you can tell me where to start I can learn= more about this, and I=B4ll try to do something in the implementation.=

    Wesley.

    On Dec 6, 2007 11:54 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana <    sanjiva@opensource.lk> wro= te:

        How about implementing JSR-311? That's the new RES= T annotations JSR.

        Its a new feature, so its relatively easy .. but u'll need the deployme= nt
        architecture etc.. But its a fun project and will be useful when done (= the
        JSR is still in progress).

        Sanjiva.

        Wesley Mesquita wrote:
        >
        >
        > On Dec 6, 2007 7:31 AM, David Illsley <        davidillsley@gmail.com
        > <mailto:        davidillsley@gmail.co= m>> wrote:
        >
        > Hi Wesley, It's great to have someone interested in working on Axi= s2.
        > Welcome. I guess I'd suggest you try to 'scratch an itch'. You men= tion
        > you've been using Axis2.... is there anything that was really hard= to
        > do?
        >
        >
        > Well, there some people in my lab (         www.lis.ic.unicamp.br
        > <        http://www.lis.ic.unicamp.br= >) that have used Axis 1.x in their = works
        > (I know tree MScs that used) , and during the last three months I = have
        > tried to use Axis2 to create Web Services from java classes. I exp= lored
        > better the POJO method and I did some scripts to automatize the aa= r
        > packages creation. My objective is allow the users to send their c= lasses
        > and the service will be deployed in Axis2 environment. I made just=
        > simple tests, but I think I=B4ll have problems in more complex cla= sses
        > (using serialization, attachments and so on). But my new challenge= is to
        > find an easy way to create clients. I am exploring the methods des= cribed
        > in the site but I still didn=B4t find this "easy way." <= br> >
        > Anything you found you couldn't do that you'd like to be able to >
        > do?
        > David
        >
        >
        > I was able (in a hard or simple way) to do everything I needed. Bu= t,
        > like in almost all projects I=B4ll find something that I can=B4t d= o, but,
        > for now, I don=B4t know what is this :).
        >
        > thanks,
        >
        > Wesley
        >
        >
        > On Dec 5, 2007 2:56 PM, Wesley Mesquita <         wesleymesquita@gmail.com=
        > <mailto:        wesleymesquita@gmai= l.com>> wrote:
        > > I have never worked in a Open Source project, so I don't know= how
        > to get
        > > really involved just seeing the JIRA's messages, because I st= ill
        > dont have a
        > > good view of the areas that these problems are associated. Fo= r
        > now, I would
        > > like to get simple tasks (in a small or big "thing"= ). The best
        > would be if
        > > someone can tell me an area to get involved (study documentat= ion,
        > code) and
        > > so, try to develop sometrhing.
        > >
        > > Thanks.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > On Dec 5, 2007 12:44 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana
        > <        sanjiva@opensource.lk<= /u> <mailto: <= /font>sanjiva@opensource.lk>> wrote:
        > > >
        > > > Wesley Mesquita wrote:
        > > > > Hi everybody,
        > > > >
        > > > > I am using Axis2 in my scientific work at Universit= y, and
        > will be very
        > > > > useful the documentation about the architecture of = Axis2. I
        > looked at
        > > > > the site and I didn't found anything like this.
        = > > > >
        > > > > PS : Are there any open problems in axis2 or anythi= ng
        > specific that you
        > > > > (the developers team) want people to work ? I am lo= oking for
        > a open
        > > > > source project to work in my summer vacation.
        > > >
        > > > There's a bunch of areas that you can work on! Do you fe= el like
        > doing a
        > > > small thing or something "large"? The best way= is to look at
        > some of the
        > > > pending JIRAs and tackle some small things to get starte= d on.
        > > >
        > > > If you want specific big ideas holler again and I'll com= e up
        > with some
        > > items!
        > > >
        > > > Sanjiva.
        > > > --
        > > > Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D.
        > > > Founder & Director; Lanka Software Foundation;
        >         = http://www.opensource.lk/=
        > > > Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.;         http://www.wso2.com/
        > > > Member; Apache Software Foundation;         http://www.apache.org/
        > > > Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa;
        >         = http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/=
        > > >
        > > >
        > ------------------------------------------------------------------= ---
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        > > > For additional commands, e-mail:         axis-dev-help@ws.apache.org
        > <mailto:        axis-dev-help@ws= .apache.org>
        > > >
        > > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > --
        > > Wesley Mesquita
        > > LIS/IC - UNICAMP
        > > [skype: wesley.mesquita]
        >
        >
        >
        > --
        > David Illsley - IBM Web Services Development
        >
        > ------------------------------------------------------------------= ---
        > To unsubscribe, e-mail:         axis-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org<= br> > <mailto:axis-dev-= unsubscribe@ws.apache.org>
        > For additional commands, e-mail:         axis-dev-help@ws.apache.org
        > <mailto:        axis-dev-help@ws= .apache.org>
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > --
        > Wesley Mesquita
        > LIS/IC - UNICAMP
        > [skype: wesley.mesquita]

        --
        Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D.
        Founder & Director; Lanka Software Foundation;         http://www.opensource.lk/
        = Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.;         http:= //www.wso2.com/
        Member; Apache Software Foundation;         http://w= ww.apache.org/
        Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa;         http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/

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    [skype: wesley.mesquita]



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