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From Nicholas L Gallardo <>
Subject Re: The use of a -1
Date Wed, 06 Jun 2007 16:18:51 GMT


What about if I -1 your -1?  Is the operation a multiplication and thus
nullified, or is it strictly addition?

In all seriousness though, I completely agree with and appreciate your
comments and the follow-up.


             Glen Daniels                                                  
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+1.  Well said, David.  I certainly think there is a lot of room for
discussion, and even contention, in the development process.  The "-1"
is often used in informal discussion (i.e. not, accompanying a technical
justification, as a veto against a specific code-modification proposal)
as the conversational equivalent of "ew", but if we want it to keep it's
weight as a voting tool (and be able to tell when it's being used that
way), perhaps we should pare it back a bit.

We're all a team here, and our goal is to build the best software we
can, so +1 to more discussion and consensus-building.

I for one very much appreciated the sentiment, and the note.


Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> i totally agree!!!!!!
> -- dims
> On 6/4/07, David Illsley <> wrote:
>> So, forgive me if I'm way off or out of place, and please correct me
>> if I'm wrong, but in speaking to some Apache Members earlier this
>> year, I was told that -1's should be rare events which indicate that,
>> as a result of discussion, concensus/compromise is impossible, hence
>> it's status as a Veto*.
>> It's pretty common on this list (I'm not pointing a finger at anyone
>> in particular) that the first contribution someone makes to a thread
>> contains a -1. I don't think that's healthy because it tends to stop
>> discussion in its tracks when further discussion might (might!) result
>> in a good compromise.
>> I know (from experience) that when there's a +1 on the table and you
>> don't agree it's easy jump in with a -1 to try and stop it, but my
>> experience recently (where I've been trying to not do that) is that
>> further discussion without an explicit -1 normally works just as well.
>> Perhaps we can and should get a little less trigger happy with the -1?
>> Cheers,
>> David
>> * Note it's only actually a veto if accompanied by a *technical*
>> justification [1]
>> [1]
>> --
>> David Illsley - IBM Web Services Development
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