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From "Davanum Srinivas" <>
Subject Re: [Axis2] Please stop abusing -1's
Date Mon, 18 Jun 2007 02:34:13 GMT

As you rightly said, the key is the sentence from your email:
"if you have an objection the only way to get serious attention to it"

IMHO, You can start with a gentle push and if you don't get "enough
attention" then do a -1.
IMHO, No one can expect a total control of changes to a class that was
just checked in a few hours ago. That's preposterous. Unless *ALL*
details were discussed prior on the mailing list and the checkin was
just a formality.
IMHO, the situation was not serious enough to warrant a -1.

Yes, the process is if there is a -1 then the code needs to be
reverted to the previous version as soon as possible, unless there is
build break in our test harness.

Sorry, IMHO, spate of -1's that i see means a "My way or the Highway"
approach is taking root and i personally don't like it.


On 6/17/07, Sanjiva Weerawarana <> wrote:
> David Illsley wrote:
> > I agree with Srinath, I'd prefer to see consensus building rather than
> > vetoes.
> David, this is a fundamental misunderstanding of Apache voting rules. -1s
> *DO NOT* mean vetos except for code commits .. and those MUST be
> accompanied by explanations.
> When someone has committed the code already, if you have an objection the
> only way to get serious attention to it is to say "sorry; this commit
> cannot go thru and here's why". Its a status quo thing- the committed code
> is now status quo and if the objector doesn't get to put the committer in
> defensive mode they are naturally at a losing proposition.
> > Bluntly, in an open source project I fully expect there to be
> > decisions made I don't entirely like, but which are supported by
> Of course.
> > others. That's happened to me in the past year and I know it's
> > happened to others. When the number of vetoes outnumbers the -0's or
> > 'I don't like this', it suggests that we've lost sight of that and
> > that individuals are expecting everything to exactly match their
> > mental model.
> I also watch this list carefully to make sure we have a good community and
> don't get the sense that we've come to the scenario you are describing.
> Are you of the feeling that we have? If so then we definitely have to do
> something.
> > I honestly believe that the majority of the contributors have
> > reasonably well aligned goals and an understanding of the current
> > design consensus. Lots of vetoes are therefore, to me, not an
> > indication of real technical differences, but of communication and
> > collaboration problems (which -1's don't seem to help.. a self
> > perpetuating cycle.)
> +1 that -1s tend to be an indication of a lack of collaboration more than
> anything else.
> Sanjiva.
> --
> Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D.
> Founder & Director; Lanka Software Foundation;
> Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.;
> Director; Open Source Initiative;
> Member; Apache Software Foundation;
> Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa;
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