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From Davanum Srinivas <dava...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [Axis2] Chat log on 27-01-2005
Date Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:07:31 GMT
+1 from me (review by this weekend)


On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:56:19 -0500, Glen Daniels <glen@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
> Hi Farhaan!
> 
> I'll start to read the code in earnest later this week / this weekend, and I
> think targeting the chat next week for folks to be done with the review
> would probably be a great idea so that we can use the IRC chat to discuss
> things in realtime.  I agree it hopefully won't take that long, and
> hopefully everyone can commit to that schedule - Dims, Alek, Sanjiva, etc -
> you OK with that plan?
> 
> --Glen
> 
> P.S.  Very frustrating to be offline from 8AM until evening!  Like missing
> an arm. :)
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Farhaan Mohideen" <farhaan@opensource.lk>
> To: <axis-dev@ws.apache.org>
> Cc: "'Srinath Perera'" <hemapani@gmail.com>; "Glen Daniels"
> <glen@thoughtcraft.com>
> 
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 2:13 AM
> Subject: RE: [Axis2] Chat log on 27-01-2005
> 
> > Hi
> >
> > I am all for delivering high-quality design/code. I think we were at this
> > same position at the end of December. Glen, Dims, Sam, Alek, etc we want
> > you
> > to check our code and design (the design was of course discussed over the
> > mailing list + during IRC chats). Please can you give me a date by which
> > you
> > will be able to complete this review so that we can then set a date for
> > the
> > release based on the review results. Hopefully this shouldn't take longer
> > than 2 weeks right? In the meantime we will try to get the documentation
> > also out for your review.
> >
> > Regards
> > Farhaan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Srinath Perera [mailto:hemapani@gmail.com]
> > Sent: 31 January 2005 11:20
> > To: axis-dev@ws.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [Axis2] Chat log on 27-01-2005
> >
> > Hi Glen;
> > Nice that all are now back on Axis2 :)
> >
> > yes I too think that requests are resonable, I belive we can get them
> > done in two weeks
> >
> > We are working on the documentation/ samples and peformance
> > evaluation. We will try bit of profiling to make sure things  are
> > inorder.
> >
> > Let us all start looking closly at the code for improvements :). Can
> > we have a code review at the chat? (may be we can have more than one
> > IRC sessions per week for these two weeks). Can you make to the chat
> > this week?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Srinath
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:01:56 -0500, Glen Daniels <glen@thoughtcraft.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Hi folks!
> >>
> >> I'm not going to +1 a release on the 11th... yet.
> >>
> >> Here's what I think needs to happen at a *minimum* before cutting a
> > release:
> >>
> >> 1) Some documentation needs to be written (I know you guys are working
> >> on this as we speak :)) and edited/checked over by at least two or three
> >> folks aside from the author(s).
> >>
> >> 2) All the code needs cleanup (such as by an IDE's "format code"
> >> feature) for consistent style/spacing/etc.
> >>
> >> 3) All spelling/capitalization errors in the code must be fixed.
> >>
> >> 4) The existing code needs some more review by the team, and in
> >> particular more review from folks outside of LSF (no offense, guys -
> >> this isn't meant to make any comment on the code quality, it's just that
> >> it's always good to make sure multiple viewpoints are represented) -
> >> Alek, Sam, Mark, etc....  I'm very concerned that, although we know this
> >> is "only a milestone release of a prototype" that some of the APIs and
> >> patterns which we haven't necessarily agreed upon as yet are going to
> >> start to gel and become harder to change.  I also suspect we can trim
> >> some of the stuff that's there for an initial release.
> >>
> >> So the net of this is that I'm not comfortable releasing things in their
> >> current form, but that will hopefully change in the next two weeks.
> >> Unfortunately, I'm going to be in Raleigh from Mon-Fri at meetings where
> >> I won't have network access (damn you, IBM!), but I pledge to put some
> >> time into this in the evenings and next week.
> >>
> >> I don't mean to be any kind of a party-pooper here - please understand
> >> all these comments are in the interest of producing a seriously
> >> high-quality piece of engineering, both from a design perspective and in
> >> terms of the actual artifacts we produce as a team.  Even for an early
> >> access "release", I think it's critical that we are all on the same page
> >> with respect to WHAT we're releasing, WHY we're doing so, and that we
> >> all feel proud that what's there (even if limited functionally) is
> >> well-architected, well-coded, and solid.  If we don't have all those
> >> things verified, I don't think it's worth doing a release at all yet.
> >>
> >> OK, whaddya think, team?  A reasonable set of requests?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> --Glen
> >>
> >>
> >> Farhaan Mohideen wrote:
> >> > The release should be on the 11th as the 12th is a Saturday. My mistake
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> > Farhaan
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Deepal Jayasinghe [mailto:deepal@opensource.lk]
> >> > Sent: 29 January 2005 00:23
> >> > To: axis-dev@ws.apache.org
> >> > Subject: Re: [Axis2] Chat log on 27-01-2005
> >> >
> >> > +1 , for M1 at Feb 12th
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Deepal
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Srinath Perera" <hemapani@gmail.com>
> >> > To: <axis-dev@ws.apache.org>
> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 5:59 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [Axis2] Chat log on 27-01-2005
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>+1, for M1 at the Feb 12
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:15:20 +0600, Sanjiva Weerawarana
> >> >><sanjiva@opensource.lk> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>+1 for going ahead with an M1 on Feb. 12th.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Sanjiva.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >> >>>From: "Farhaan Mohideen" <farhaan@opensource.lk>
> >> >>>To: <axis-dev@ws.apache.org>
> >> >>>Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 6:25 PM
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Subject: RE: [Axis2] Chat log on 27-01-2005
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>Hi All
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Before Sri Lanka was affected by the tsunami we were well on
course
> >> >
> >> > for a
> >> >
> >> >>>>milestone release in the first week of January with only the
> >> >
> >> > documentation
> >> >
> >> >>>>outstanding. I think during that period Alek, Dims and Glen
said that
> >> >
> >> > they
> >> >
> >> >>>>would have a look at the code out under prototype 1.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Now the team is back on track with Axis after working on the
various
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Sahana
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>applications. We would like to proceed with the milestone release
and
> >> >>>
> >> >>>would
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>appreciate some feedback from everyone whose been contributing
to the
> >> >>>>project. How does the 12th of Feb sound ? Since our first meeting
in
> >> >>>
> >> >>>August,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>counting the days it would show that we have spent almost 5
months to
> >> >
> >> > get
> >> >
> >> >>>>this far. Without holding back further I suggest we push forward
and
> >> >
> >> > get
> >> >
> >> >>>>something out.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Srinath you were voted in as the Release Manager, could you
send a
> >> >
> >> > draft
> >> >
> >> >>>of
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>the release plan so that all can comment.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Farhaan
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >> >>>>From: Ajith Ranabahu [mailto:ajith.ranabahu@gmail.com]
> >> >>>>Sent: 27 January 2005 10:48
> >> >>>>To: Axis developer list
> >> >>>>Subject: [Axis2] Chat log on 27-01-2005
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>The topic of todays chat was the upcoming M1. There were some
> >> >>>>concerns
> >> >>>>about the site as well.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>[08:58]  ***  Apache Axis - SOAP WSDL WSDD
> >> >>>>[08:59]  *** Jaliya joined #apache-axis
> >> >>>>[08:59]  *** Chinthaka_ joined #apache-axis
> >> >>>>[08:59]  *** Chinthaka left #apache-axis :
> >> >>>>[09:02]  *** Deepal joined #apache-axis
> >> >>>>[09:03]<Ajith> Hi all
> >> >>>>[09:04]<Jaliya> Hi All
> >> >>>>[09:04]<Deepal> Hi all
> >> >>>>[09:05]  *** farhaan joined #apache-axis
> >> >>>>[09:05]<farhaan> Hi All
> >> >>>>[09:07]  *** farhaan sets topic for #apache-axis : Apache Axis
-
> >> >>>>Milestone Release
> >> >>>>[09:08]<Chinthaka_> hi all
> >> >>>>[09:09]<Ajith> Hey where are all the others
> >> >>>>[09:09]<Ajith> ?
> >> >>>>[09:10]<farhaan> is this too early/late to start ?
> >> >>>>[09:10]<Chinthaka_> tsunami for all others ;)
> >> >>>>[09:10]<Jaliya> It is already 9.10 am here
> >> >>>>[09:12]  *** lilantha joined #apache-axis
> >> >>>>[09:14]<Chinthaka_> well shall we start talking about
M1 ?
> >> >>>>[09:14]<Deepal> good idea
> >> >>>>[09:15]<Chinthaka_> anyway, any plans for the date of
release ?
> >> >>>>[09:16]  *** chathura joined #apache-axis
> >> >>>>[09:16]<Chinthaka_> I think its some where around 12 or
15
> >> >>>>[09:16]<Chinthaka_> next month
> >> >>>>[09:17]<farhaan> yes we should be okay with 12th Feb
> >> >>>>[09:17]<farhaan> Let's discuss what is outstanding for
the release
> >> >>>>[09:17]<Ajith> BTW guys what has happend to glen and all
?
> >> >>>>[09:18]<Deepal> We have completed coding stuff for M1
> >> >>>>[09:18]<farhaan> as far as i know before the tsunami we
were in very
> >> >>>>good shape where the functionality was concerned and it was
the
> >> >>>>documentation that was missing
> >> >>>>[09:18]<Deepal> and only documentation has to be done
> >> >>>>[09:18]<Jaliya> and examples
> >> >>>>[09:19]<Jaliya> I mean samples + docs
> >> >>>>[09:19]<Chinthaka_> well I myself and Chathura started
with samples
> >> >>>>[09:19]<Deepal> yep
> >> >>>>[09:19]<farhaan> so can we first get concurrence from
all on the
> >> >>>>features for M1 as a reminder atleast
> >> >>>>[09:19]<Chinthaka_> and the user's guide
> >> >>>>[09:19]<Deepal> and I stared archi guide
> >> >>>>[09:22]<Ajith> myswlf and srinath did some perf tests
> >> >>>>[09:22]<Ajith> and fixed some bugs as well
> >> >>>>[09:22]<Chinthaka_> great
> >> >>>>[09:23]  *** Deepal quit FreeNode : Read error: 54 (Connection
reset
> >> >
> >> > by
> >> >
> >> >>>>peer)
> >> >>>>[09:24]  *** Chinthaka__ joined #apache-axis
> >> >>>>[09:24]<Chinthaka__> hello
> >> >>>>[09:24]  *** Jaliya_ joined #apache-axis
> >> >>>>[09:24]<Chinthaka__> helllooooooooooooo
> >> >>>>[09:25]<Ajith> yeah
> >> >>>>[09:25]<Chinthaka__> oki, i was disconnected
> >> >>>>[09:25]<dims> Ajith: do we have some DOM wrapper stuff
already?
> >> >>>>[09:25]<Chinthaka__> nop
> >> >>>>[09:25]<Ajith> nope
> >> >>>>[09:25]<Chinthaka__> I don't think its required now
> >> >>>>[09:25]<Ajith> not yet
> >> >>>>[09:26]<dims> ok. just curious.
> >> >>>>[09:26]<Chinthaka__> I started that sometime back
> >> >>>>[09:26]<Chinthaka__> but stopped for the time being
> >> >>>>[09:26]<Ajith> dims : god thing that you are here
> >> >>>>[09:26]<Ajith> :)
> >> >>>>[09:26]<dims> may not be here for long :(
> >> >>>>[09:27]<dims> i got the omdiagrams from ashu...
> >> >>>>[09:27]<Chinthaka__> ok
> >> >>>>[09:27]<Chinthaka__> I saw the mails
> >> >>>>[09:27]  *** chathurah joined #apache-axis
> >> >>>>[09:28]<Chinthaka__> well Dims, I want them to put in
some OM docs
> >> >>>>[09:28]<dims> hang on
> >> >>>>[09:28]  *** Deepal joined #apache-axis
> >> >>>>[09:29]  *** Chinthaka___ joined #apache-axis
> >> >>>>[09:29]  *** Chinthaka joined #apache-axis
> >> >>>>[09:30]<Chinthaka___> helllo we have some connection problems
here
> >> >>>>[09:30]  *** Jaliya__ joined #apache-axis
> >> >>>>[09:30]<Deepal> ADSL ?
> >> >>>>[09:31]<Chinthaka___> yeah
> >> >>>>[09:32]<Chinthaka___> well, can all of you please review
the site
> >> >>>>[09:32]  *** Chinthaka_ quit FreeNode : Read error: 60 (Operation
> >> >
> >> > timed
> >> >
> >> >>>out)
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>[09:32]  *** Jaliya quit FreeNode : Operation timed out
> >> >>>>[09:32]<Chinthaka___> and lets put the documents also
there
> >> >>>>[09:32]<Chinthaka___> so that we have a site by the time
we release
> >> >>>>M1
> >> >>>>[09:33]  *** chathura_ joined #apache-axis
> >> >>>>[09:33]<Ajith> hey you guys having difficulty with the
connection ?
> >> >>>>[09:33]<Jaliya__> may be the software
> >> >>>>[09:33]<chathura_> not the conection i suppose
> >> >>>>[09:36]<farhaan> inorder to have the site up and running
shouldn't
> >> >>>>the
> >> >>>>project be allocated some space on the server ?
> >> >>>>[09:36]<Chinthaka> yes, I think
> >> >>>>[09:37]<Chinthaka> well, Dims what do u think abt this
?
> >> >>>>[09:37]<Jaliya__> I think we are getting the space from
the CVS
> >> >>>>[09:37]<Jaliya__> I mean under ws-site
> >> >>>>[09:39]<Chinthaka> the site is being currently hosted
in my poor
> >> >>>>apache account :(
> >> >>>>[09:40]<dims> http://ws.apache.org/~dims/axis2/
> >> >>>>[09:41]<Chinthaka___> thankx dims
> >> >>>>[09:41]<dims> Let's keep the site off-line till we release
m1. we can
> >> >>>>announce the site url with the m1 announcement.
> >> >>>>[09:41]<farhaan> is that a permanent location for the
axis2 site ?
> >> >>>>[09:41]<dims> it's the same apache server instance service
both :)
> >> >>>>[09:42]<Chinthaka___> farhaan, it has the om images I
requested
> >> >>>>[09:42]<dims> farhaan: no these are the images
> >> >>>>[09:42]<dims> Chinthaka: can you please make a copy before
i lose it
> >> >
> >> > again
> >> >
> >> >>>>:)
> >> >>>>[09:42]  *** chathura quit FreeNode : Read error: 113 (No route
to
> >> >
> >> > host)
> >> >
> >> >>>>[09:43]<Chinthaka___> already done :)
> >> >>>>[09:44]<Chinthaka___> so dims, then lets keep the axis
2 site, where
> >> >>>>it is now and host it when we release M1
> >> >>>>[09:45]<Chinthaka___> so shall we try to make those docs
available by
> >> >>>>next week ?
> >> >>>>[09:45]<Chinthaka___> and till then others can review
> >> >>>>[09:45]<Chinthaka___> DIms, what are the docs we require
?
> >> >>>>[09:46]<Chinthaka___> we are preparing archi guide and
user's guide
> >> >>>>which includes installation guide and samples
> >> >>>>[09:47]  *** Chinthaka__ quit FreeNode : Read error: 113 (No
route to
> >> >>>
> >> >>>host)
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>[09:48]  *** Jaliya_ quit FreeNode : Read error: 113 (No route
to
> >> >
> >> > host)
> >> >
> >> >>>>[09:48]<farhaan> dims:so i guess you would allocate some
space for
> >> >>>>the
> >> >>>>site atleast before the 10th , if we are to make the release
on the
> >> >>>>12th
> >> >>>>[09:48]<dims> Chintaka: sounds good.
> >> >>>>[09:48]<dims> farhaan: consider it already allocated :)
> >> >>>>[09:48]  *** chathurah quit FreeNode : Read error: 113 (No route
to
> >> >
> >> > host)
> >> >
> >> >>>>[09:49]<farhaan> dims: okay :) we are well on course then
> >> >>>>[09:49]<farhaan> by the way
> >> >>>>[09:50]<farhaan> do you foresee any problems with a M1
release on the
> >> >>>
> >> >>>12th,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>[09:52]<dims> am yet to review code etc...
> >> >>>>[09:52]<dims> need a few days (maybe weekend)
> >> >>>>[09:52]<dims> do we know who's our competition?
> >> >>>>[09:54]<Jaliya__> sistinet?
> >> >>>>[09:54]<Chinthaka> ActiveSOAP
> >> >>>>[09:54]<Jaliya__> sorry, systinet?
> >> >>>>[09:54]<Chinthaka> and Sanjiva was referring to some more
> >> >>>>[09:55]  *** Deepal quit FreeNode : "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster,
> >> >>>>Easier. http://miranda-im.org"
> >> >>>>[10:01]<farhaan> sanjiva was very particular on getting
people like
> >> >>>>loghan (i think that was the name) who is implementing his own
engine
> >> >>>>interested in this and hence the need to produce something fast
> >> >>>>[10:02]  *** Chinthaka___ quit FreeNode : "Chatzilla 0.9.66
[Mozilla
> >> >>>>rv:1.7.5/20041107]"
> >> >>>>[10:03]<Chinthaka> seems like time is up
> >> >>>>[10:03]<Chinthaka> can some one please post the log
> >> >>>>[10:04]<Chinthaka> as I don't have the whole thing
> >> >>>>[10:04]<Jaliya__> Bye All
> >> >>>>[10:04]  *** Jaliya__ quit FreeNode : "Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla
> >> >>>>rv:1.7.5/20041107]"
> >> >>>>[10:06]<farhaan> I know this was not too productive, but
let's
> >> >>>>discuss
> >> >>>>the M1 stuff in detail over the mailing list, bye now
> >> >>>>[10:06]  *** farhaan left #apache-axis :
> >> >>>>[10:08]<chathura_> can somone post the chat(ppl at sliit
havent got
> >> >>>>the complete chat)
> >> >>>>[10:10]  *** lilantha left #apache-axis :
> >> >>>>[10:11]  *** chathura_ left #apache-axis :
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>--
> >> >>>>Ajith Ranabahu
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 


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