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From Glen Daniels <g...@thoughtcraft.com>
Subject Re: [Axis2] Chat log on 27-01-2005
Date Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:56:19 GMT
Hi Farhaan!

I'll start to read the code in earnest later this week / this weekend, and I 
think targeting the chat next week for folks to be done with the review 
would probably be a great idea so that we can use the IRC chat to discuss 
things in realtime.  I agree it hopefully won't take that long, and 
hopefully everyone can commit to that schedule - Dims, Alek, Sanjiva, etc - 
you OK with that plan?

--Glen

P.S.  Very frustrating to be offline from 8AM until evening!  Like missing 
an arm. :)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Farhaan Mohideen" <farhaan@opensource.lk>
To: <axis-dev@ws.apache.org>
Cc: "'Srinath Perera'" <hemapani@gmail.com>; "Glen Daniels" 
<glen@thoughtcraft.com>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 2:13 AM
Subject: RE: [Axis2] Chat log on 27-01-2005


> Hi
>
> I am all for delivering high-quality design/code. I think we were at this
> same position at the end of December. Glen, Dims, Sam, Alek, etc we want 
> you
> to check our code and design (the design was of course discussed over the
> mailing list + during IRC chats). Please can you give me a date by which 
> you
> will be able to complete this review so that we can then set a date for 
> the
> release based on the review results. Hopefully this shouldn't take longer
> than 2 weeks right? In the meantime we will try to get the documentation
> also out for your review.
>
> Regards
> Farhaan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Srinath Perera [mailto:hemapani@gmail.com]
> Sent: 31 January 2005 11:20
> To: axis-dev@ws.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [Axis2] Chat log on 27-01-2005
>
> Hi Glen;
> Nice that all are now back on Axis2 :)
>
> yes I too think that requests are resonable, I belive we can get them
> done in two weeks
>
> We are working on the documentation/ samples and peformance
> evaluation. We will try bit of profiling to make sure things  are
> inorder.
>
> Let us all start looking closly at the code for improvements :). Can
> we have a code review at the chat? (may be we can have more than one
> IRC sessions per week for these two weeks). Can you make to the chat
> this week?
>
> Thanks
> Srinath
>
>
>
> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:01:56 -0500, Glen Daniels <glen@thoughtcraft.com>
> wrote:
>> Hi folks!
>>
>> I'm not going to +1 a release on the 11th... yet.
>>
>> Here's what I think needs to happen at a *minimum* before cutting a
> release:
>>
>> 1) Some documentation needs to be written (I know you guys are working
>> on this as we speak :)) and edited/checked over by at least two or three
>> folks aside from the author(s).
>>
>> 2) All the code needs cleanup (such as by an IDE's "format code"
>> feature) for consistent style/spacing/etc.
>>
>> 3) All spelling/capitalization errors in the code must be fixed.
>>
>> 4) The existing code needs some more review by the team, and in
>> particular more review from folks outside of LSF (no offense, guys -
>> this isn't meant to make any comment on the code quality, it's just that
>> it's always good to make sure multiple viewpoints are represented) -
>> Alek, Sam, Mark, etc....  I'm very concerned that, although we know this
>> is "only a milestone release of a prototype" that some of the APIs and
>> patterns which we haven't necessarily agreed upon as yet are going to
>> start to gel and become harder to change.  I also suspect we can trim
>> some of the stuff that's there for an initial release.
>>
>> So the net of this is that I'm not comfortable releasing things in their
>> current form, but that will hopefully change in the next two weeks.
>> Unfortunately, I'm going to be in Raleigh from Mon-Fri at meetings where
>> I won't have network access (damn you, IBM!), but I pledge to put some
>> time into this in the evenings and next week.
>>
>> I don't mean to be any kind of a party-pooper here - please understand
>> all these comments are in the interest of producing a seriously
>> high-quality piece of engineering, both from a design perspective and in
>> terms of the actual artifacts we produce as a team.  Even for an early
>> access "release", I think it's critical that we are all on the same page
>> with respect to WHAT we're releasing, WHY we're doing so, and that we
>> all feel proud that what's there (even if limited functionally) is
>> well-architected, well-coded, and solid.  If we don't have all those
>> things verified, I don't think it's worth doing a release at all yet.
>>
>> OK, whaddya think, team?  A reasonable set of requests?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --Glen
>>
>>
>> Farhaan Mohideen wrote:
>> > The release should be on the 11th as the 12th is a Saturday. My mistake
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Farhaan
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Deepal Jayasinghe [mailto:deepal@opensource.lk]
>> > Sent: 29 January 2005 00:23
>> > To: axis-dev@ws.apache.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Axis2] Chat log on 27-01-2005
>> >
>> > +1 , for M1 at Feb 12th
>> >
>> >
>> > Deepal
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Srinath Perera" <hemapani@gmail.com>
>> > To: <axis-dev@ws.apache.org>
>> > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 5:59 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Axis2] Chat log on 27-01-2005
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>+1, for M1 at the Feb 12
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:15:20 +0600, Sanjiva Weerawarana
>> >><sanjiva@opensource.lk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>+1 for going ahead with an M1 on Feb. 12th.
>> >>>
>> >>>Sanjiva.
>> >>>
>> >>>----- Original Message -----
>> >>>From: "Farhaan Mohideen" <farhaan@opensource.lk>
>> >>>To: <axis-dev@ws.apache.org>
>> >>>Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 6:25 PM
>> >>>
>> >>>Subject: RE: [Axis2] Chat log on 27-01-2005
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>Hi All
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Before Sri Lanka was affected by the tsunami we were well on course
>> >
>> > for a
>> >
>> >>>>milestone release in the first week of January with only the
>> >
>> > documentation
>> >
>> >>>>outstanding. I think during that period Alek, Dims and Glen said
that
>> >
>> > they
>> >
>> >>>>would have a look at the code out under prototype 1.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Now the team is back on track with Axis after working on the various
>> >>>
>> >>>Sahana
>> >>>
>> >>>>applications. We would like to proceed with the milestone release
and
>> >>>
>> >>>would
>> >>>
>> >>>>appreciate some feedback from everyone whose been contributing to
the
>> >>>>project. How does the 12th of Feb sound ? Since our first meeting
in
>> >>>
>> >>>August,
>> >>>
>> >>>>counting the days it would show that we have spent almost 5 months
to
>> >
>> > get
>> >
>> >>>>this far. Without holding back further I suggest we push forward
and
>> >
>> > get
>> >
>> >>>>something out.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Srinath you were voted in as the Release Manager, could you send
a
>> >
>> > draft
>> >
>> >>>of
>> >>>
>> >>>>the release plan so that all can comment.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Farhaan
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>-----Original Message-----
>> >>>>From: Ajith Ranabahu [mailto:ajith.ranabahu@gmail.com]
>> >>>>Sent: 27 January 2005 10:48
>> >>>>To: Axis developer list
>> >>>>Subject: [Axis2] Chat log on 27-01-2005
>> >>>>
>> >>>>The topic of todays chat was the upcoming M1. There were some 
>> >>>>concerns
>> >>>>about the site as well.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>[08:58]  ***  Apache Axis - SOAP WSDL WSDD
>> >>>>[08:59]  *** Jaliya joined #apache-axis
>> >>>>[08:59]  *** Chinthaka_ joined #apache-axis
>> >>>>[08:59]  *** Chinthaka left #apache-axis :
>> >>>>[09:02]  *** Deepal joined #apache-axis
>> >>>>[09:03]<Ajith> Hi all
>> >>>>[09:04]<Jaliya> Hi All
>> >>>>[09:04]<Deepal> Hi all
>> >>>>[09:05]  *** farhaan joined #apache-axis
>> >>>>[09:05]<farhaan> Hi All
>> >>>>[09:07]  *** farhaan sets topic for #apache-axis : Apache Axis -
>> >>>>Milestone Release
>> >>>>[09:08]<Chinthaka_> hi all
>> >>>>[09:09]<Ajith> Hey where are all the others
>> >>>>[09:09]<Ajith> ?
>> >>>>[09:10]<farhaan> is this too early/late to start ?
>> >>>>[09:10]<Chinthaka_> tsunami for all others ;)
>> >>>>[09:10]<Jaliya> It is already 9.10 am here
>> >>>>[09:12]  *** lilantha joined #apache-axis
>> >>>>[09:14]<Chinthaka_> well shall we start talking about M1 ?
>> >>>>[09:14]<Deepal> good idea
>> >>>>[09:15]<Chinthaka_> anyway, any plans for the date of release
?
>> >>>>[09:16]  *** chathura joined #apache-axis
>> >>>>[09:16]<Chinthaka_> I think its some where around 12 or 15
>> >>>>[09:16]<Chinthaka_> next month
>> >>>>[09:17]<farhaan> yes we should be okay with 12th Feb
>> >>>>[09:17]<farhaan> Let's discuss what is outstanding for the
release
>> >>>>[09:17]<Ajith> BTW guys what has happend to glen and all ?
>> >>>>[09:18]<Deepal> We have completed coding stuff for M1
>> >>>>[09:18]<farhaan> as far as i know before the tsunami we were
in very
>> >>>>good shape where the functionality was concerned and it was the
>> >>>>documentation that was missing
>> >>>>[09:18]<Deepal> and only documentation has to be done
>> >>>>[09:18]<Jaliya> and examples
>> >>>>[09:19]<Jaliya> I mean samples + docs
>> >>>>[09:19]<Chinthaka_> well I myself and Chathura started with
samples
>> >>>>[09:19]<Deepal> yep
>> >>>>[09:19]<farhaan> so can we first get concurrence from all on
the
>> >>>>features for M1 as a reminder atleast
>> >>>>[09:19]<Chinthaka_> and the user's guide
>> >>>>[09:19]<Deepal> and I stared archi guide
>> >>>>[09:22]<Ajith> myswlf and srinath did some perf tests
>> >>>>[09:22]<Ajith> and fixed some bugs as well
>> >>>>[09:22]<Chinthaka_> great
>> >>>>[09:23]  *** Deepal quit FreeNode : Read error: 54 (Connection reset
>> >
>> > by
>> >
>> >>>>peer)
>> >>>>[09:24]  *** Chinthaka__ joined #apache-axis
>> >>>>[09:24]<Chinthaka__> hello
>> >>>>[09:24]  *** Jaliya_ joined #apache-axis
>> >>>>[09:24]<Chinthaka__> helllooooooooooooo
>> >>>>[09:25]<Ajith> yeah
>> >>>>[09:25]<Chinthaka__> oki, i was disconnected
>> >>>>[09:25]<dims> Ajith: do we have some DOM wrapper stuff already?
>> >>>>[09:25]<Chinthaka__> nop
>> >>>>[09:25]<Ajith> nope
>> >>>>[09:25]<Chinthaka__> I don't think its required now
>> >>>>[09:25]<Ajith> not yet
>> >>>>[09:26]<dims> ok. just curious.
>> >>>>[09:26]<Chinthaka__> I started that sometime back
>> >>>>[09:26]<Chinthaka__> but stopped for the time being
>> >>>>[09:26]<Ajith> dims : god thing that you are here
>> >>>>[09:26]<Ajith> :)
>> >>>>[09:26]<dims> may not be here for long :(
>> >>>>[09:27]<dims> i got the omdiagrams from ashu...
>> >>>>[09:27]<Chinthaka__> ok
>> >>>>[09:27]<Chinthaka__> I saw the mails
>> >>>>[09:27]  *** chathurah joined #apache-axis
>> >>>>[09:28]<Chinthaka__> well Dims, I want them to put in some
OM docs
>> >>>>[09:28]<dims> hang on
>> >>>>[09:28]  *** Deepal joined #apache-axis
>> >>>>[09:29]  *** Chinthaka___ joined #apache-axis
>> >>>>[09:29]  *** Chinthaka joined #apache-axis
>> >>>>[09:30]<Chinthaka___> helllo we have some connection problems
here
>> >>>>[09:30]  *** Jaliya__ joined #apache-axis
>> >>>>[09:30]<Deepal> ADSL ?
>> >>>>[09:31]<Chinthaka___> yeah
>> >>>>[09:32]<Chinthaka___> well, can all of you please review the
site
>> >>>>[09:32]  *** Chinthaka_ quit FreeNode : Read error: 60 (Operation
>> >
>> > timed
>> >
>> >>>out)
>> >>>
>> >>>>[09:32]  *** Jaliya quit FreeNode : Operation timed out
>> >>>>[09:32]<Chinthaka___> and lets put the documents also there
>> >>>>[09:32]<Chinthaka___> so that we have a site by the time we
release 
>> >>>>M1
>> >>>>[09:33]  *** chathura_ joined #apache-axis
>> >>>>[09:33]<Ajith> hey you guys having difficulty with the connection
?
>> >>>>[09:33]<Jaliya__> may be the software
>> >>>>[09:33]<chathura_> not the conection i suppose
>> >>>>[09:36]<farhaan> inorder to have the site up and running shouldn't

>> >>>>the
>> >>>>project be allocated some space on the server ?
>> >>>>[09:36]<Chinthaka> yes, I think
>> >>>>[09:37]<Chinthaka> well, Dims what do u think abt this ?
>> >>>>[09:37]<Jaliya__> I think we are getting the space from the
CVS
>> >>>>[09:37]<Jaliya__> I mean under ws-site
>> >>>>[09:39]<Chinthaka> the site is being currently hosted in my
poor
>> >>>>apache account :(
>> >>>>[09:40]<dims> http://ws.apache.org/~dims/axis2/
>> >>>>[09:41]<Chinthaka___> thankx dims
>> >>>>[09:41]<dims> Let's keep the site off-line till we release
m1. we can
>> >>>>announce the site url with the m1 announcement.
>> >>>>[09:41]<farhaan> is that a permanent location for the axis2
site ?
>> >>>>[09:41]<dims> it's the same apache server instance service
both :)
>> >>>>[09:42]<Chinthaka___> farhaan, it has the om images I requested
>> >>>>[09:42]<dims> farhaan: no these are the images
>> >>>>[09:42]<dims> Chinthaka: can you please make a copy before
i lose it
>> >
>> > again
>> >
>> >>>>:)
>> >>>>[09:42]  *** chathura quit FreeNode : Read error: 113 (No route to
>> >
>> > host)
>> >
>> >>>>[09:43]<Chinthaka___> already done :)
>> >>>>[09:44]<Chinthaka___> so dims, then lets keep the axis 2 site,
where
>> >>>>it is now and host it when we release M1
>> >>>>[09:45]<Chinthaka___> so shall we try to make those docs available
by
>> >>>>next week ?
>> >>>>[09:45]<Chinthaka___> and till then others can review
>> >>>>[09:45]<Chinthaka___> DIms, what are the docs we require ?
>> >>>>[09:46]<Chinthaka___> we are preparing archi guide and user's
guide
>> >>>>which includes installation guide and samples
>> >>>>[09:47]  *** Chinthaka__ quit FreeNode : Read error: 113 (No route
to
>> >>>
>> >>>host)
>> >>>
>> >>>>[09:48]  *** Jaliya_ quit FreeNode : Read error: 113 (No route to
>> >
>> > host)
>> >
>> >>>>[09:48]<farhaan> dims:so i guess you would allocate some space
for 
>> >>>>the
>> >>>>site atleast before the 10th , if we are to make the release on the
>> >>>>12th
>> >>>>[09:48]<dims> Chintaka: sounds good.
>> >>>>[09:48]<dims> farhaan: consider it already allocated :)
>> >>>>[09:48]  *** chathurah quit FreeNode : Read error: 113 (No route
to
>> >
>> > host)
>> >
>> >>>>[09:49]<farhaan> dims: okay :) we are well on course then
>> >>>>[09:49]<farhaan> by the way
>> >>>>[09:50]<farhaan> do you foresee any problems with a M1 release
on the
>> >>>
>> >>>12th,
>> >>>
>> >>>>[09:52]<dims> am yet to review code etc...
>> >>>>[09:52]<dims> need a few days (maybe weekend)
>> >>>>[09:52]<dims> do we know who's our competition?
>> >>>>[09:54]<Jaliya__> sistinet?
>> >>>>[09:54]<Chinthaka> ActiveSOAP
>> >>>>[09:54]<Jaliya__> sorry, systinet?
>> >>>>[09:54]<Chinthaka> and Sanjiva was referring to some more
>> >>>>[09:55]  *** Deepal quit FreeNode : "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster,
>> >>>>Easier. http://miranda-im.org"
>> >>>>[10:01]<farhaan> sanjiva was very particular on getting people
like
>> >>>>loghan (i think that was the name) who is implementing his own engine
>> >>>>interested in this and hence the need to produce something fast
>> >>>>[10:02]  *** Chinthaka___ quit FreeNode : "Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla
>> >>>>rv:1.7.5/20041107]"
>> >>>>[10:03]<Chinthaka> seems like time is up
>> >>>>[10:03]<Chinthaka> can some one please post the log
>> >>>>[10:04]<Chinthaka> as I don't have the whole thing
>> >>>>[10:04]<Jaliya__> Bye All
>> >>>>[10:04]  *** Jaliya__ quit FreeNode : "Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla
>> >>>>rv:1.7.5/20041107]"
>> >>>>[10:06]<farhaan> I know this was not too productive, but let's

>> >>>>discuss
>> >>>>the M1 stuff in detail over the mailing list, bye now
>> >>>>[10:06]  *** farhaan left #apache-axis :
>> >>>>[10:08]<chathura_> can somone post the chat(ppl at sliit havent
got
>> >>>>the complete chat)
>> >>>>[10:10]  *** lilantha left #apache-axis :
>> >>>>[10:11]  *** chathura_ left #apache-axis :
>> >>>>
>> >>>>--
>> >>>>Ajith Ranabahu
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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