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From James M Snell <jasn...@us.ibm.com>
Subject Re: Instant Messaging Transport (Jabber & Sametime)
Date Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:50:29 GMT
Yep, there are some inherent security risks involved with the SOAP-over-IM 
model, but I'm working through a couple possible solutions.  BEEP is a 
good option, but it's not something I'd have the cycles to work on.  Half 
a dozen things at a time :-)

- James Snell
     IBM Emerging Technologies
     jasnell@us.ibm.com
     (559) 587-1233 (office)
     (700) 544-9035 (t/l)
     Programming Web Services With SOAP
         O'Reilly & Associates, ISBN 0596000952

     Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. 
     Do not be terrified, do not be discouraged, for the Lord your 
     God will be with you whereever you go.    - Joshua 1:9



"Steve Loughran" <steve_l@iseran.com>
12/14/2002 10:58 AM
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I've seen Simon fell demo SOAP-over-Jabber, and while it is cool 
(callbacks
through a firewall, anyone?), I'd be reluctant to use it for the same 
reason
its so cool: once you do callbacks you have to worry about client side
security. That doesnt mean that I dont think its a worthy programming
exercise, only that it has inherent risks.

SOAP-over-BEEP appeals to me...


----- Original Message -----
From: "James M Snell" <jasnell@us.ibm.com>
To: <axis-dev@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 14:05
Subject: Re: Instant Messaging Transport (Jabber & Sametime)


> Great response, but remember... it'll take a little while to get up and
> running.  I just wanted to give folks a heads up.  :-)
>
> - James Snell
>      IBM Emerging Technologies
>      jasnell@us.ibm.com
>      (559) 587-1233 (office)
>      (700) 544-9035 (t/l)
>      Programming Web Services With SOAP
>          O'Reilly & Associates, ISBN 0596000952
>
>      Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous.
>      Do not be terrified, do not be discouraged, for the Lord your
>      God will be with you whereever you go.    - Joshua 1:9
>
>
>
> Jess Sightler <jsightler@eximtechnologies.com>
> 12/13/2002 02:01 PM
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> Peer2Peer webservices over Instant Messenger protocols... wonderful!! :)
>
> Thanks,
> Jess
>
>
> On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 16:49, James M Snell wrote:
> > Well, that's the goal.  considering that Paul Kulchenko (the author of
> > SOAP::Lite) is a coauthor on the book where these things will be
> featured,
> > the Jabber transport will at the very least interoperate with
> SOAP::Lite.
> > We're also looking at interoperability with .NET using the jabber
> > implementation for .NET created by Winfessor.  We'll see what happens
> :-)
> >
> > Oh, and I hafta say that this isn't an IBM effort to implement this
> stuff,
> > this is something that I as an individual am doing for my book.
> >
> > - James Snell
> >      IBM Emerging Technologies
> >      jasnell@us.ibm.com
> >      (559) 587-1233 (office)
> >      (700) 544-9035 (t/l)
> >      Programming Web Services With SOAP
> >          O'Reilly & Associates, ISBN 0596000952
> >
> >      Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous.
> >      Do not be terrified, do not be discouraged, for the Lord your
> >      God will be with you whereever you go.    - Joshua 1:9
> >
> >
> >
> > Jess Sightler <jsightler@eximtechnologies.com>
> > 12/13/2002 01:39 PM
> > Please respond to axis-dev
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> > Hi James,
> >
> > Great!  I'd love to see these protocols implemented in Axis.  I have a
> > question, though... do you think that these will easily interoperate
> > with other WebServices stacks that support these protocols (eg, Perl
> > SOAP::Lite, which already has Jabber bindings?).
> >
> > If so, that would be very helpful for a little side project of mine.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jess Sightler
> > Exim Technologies
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 16:30, James M Snell wrote:
> > > FYI: As part of my effort to update my programming web services with
> > soap
> > > book, I am creating an Instant Messaging transport for Axis that is
> > built
> > > on top of the Axis Internal Messaging Interfaces and will feature a
> > > pluggable IM provider architecture.  I am creating both Jabber and
> Lotus
> > > Sametime implementations.  When complete, this listener will allow 
an
> > > application to host Axis on the client and listen for 
SOAP-over-Jabber
> > and
> > > SOAP-over-Sametime requests.  Should be pretty cool when all is said
> and
> > > done.  Please let me know if any of you would like to work on 
support
> > for
> > > other instant messaging providers (MSN, AIM, etc).
> > >
> > > - James Snell
> > >      IBM Emerging Technologies
> > >      jasnell@us.ibm.com
> > >      (559) 587-1233 (office)
> > >      (700) 544-9035 (t/l)
> > >      Programming Web Services With SOAP
> > >          O'Reilly & Associates, ISBN 0596000952
> > >
> > >      Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous.
> > >      Do not be terrified, do not be discouraged, for the Lord your
> > >      God will be with you whereever you go.    - Joshua 1:9
> >
>
>
>



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