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From "Glyn Normington" <glyn_norming...@uk.ibm.com>
Subject Re: user id request
Date Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:40:15 GMT
James,

I was referring to bug fixes in the Axis base to support the JMS transport.
My point is if the JMS transport is as cleanly separated from Axis as you
seem to be claiming, then there is no reason to merge it into Axis so that
it can continue to be developed and there is no reason to rush into adding
committers.

Glyn


                                                                                         
                                            
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Sanjiva,

With all due respect, there is more here than an *intent* to work on
something.  Dave and his crew have provided working, well written and well
thought out code.  They've done the work already and are continuing to do
work and are willing to support it and continually develop it over time.
As far as I'm concerned, that gives them the priviledge to be active
members of the project, more so, in fact, than others who may be weighing
in on this discussion who have not directly contributed code to this
project in quite some time (if ever) ... myself included.


Glyn and others,

"critical bug fixes to enable a JMS transport" doesn't make sense.  The
JMS transport that Sonic provided does not qualify as a "critical bug fix"
but new functionality that previously did not exist in Axis.  Furthermore,
As Glen indicated, the intent to contribute this WAS initially posted to
the Axis dev list which is what led to their being nominated for committer
status.

I can fully understand your concerns but given the facts, I'm having a
hard time understanding what the beef is.  It may be that I'm just an
overly simple and naive bumpkin from backwoods California, but I'd much
rather focus on getting work done than debate over process.

    1) the new code does not break or interfere with anything else in the
project
    2) the new code has not delayed or otherwise sidetracked the 1.0
release schedule
    3) the Sonic folks intend to fully support and continually develop the
code and
    4) adding new committers does not in anyway interfere with the work
everyone else is doing .... unless you let it

- James Snell
     IBM Emerging Technologies
     jasnell@us.ibm.com
     (559) 587-1233 (office)
     (700) 544-9035 (t/l)
     Programming Web Services With SOAP
         O'Reilly & Associates, ISBN 0596000952

     Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous.
     Do not be terrified, do not be discouraged, for the Lord your
     God will be with you whereever you go.    - Joshua 1:9

"Sanjiva Weerawarana" <sanjiva@watson.ibm.com> wrote on 09/18/2002
06:26:18 AM:

> With all due respects to everyone concerned, I would like
> to express my -1 for this mode of adding committers.

> This is not my understanding how Apache works: you do the
> work first and *then* you become a committer. I don't know
> Jamie or David or Richard, so this is in no way personal,
> but AFAIK their intent to work on something does not give
> them the priviledge of committership.

> If Sam or Dims or any such PMC (or board) type person still
> thinks this is an acceptable way then I automatically withdraw
> my opposition.

> Sanjiva.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Davanum Srinivas" <dims@yahoo.com>
> To: <axis-dev@xml.apache.org>; <root@apache.org>
> Cc: <pmc@xml.apache.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 11:10 PM
> Subject: Re: user id request

>
> > James,
> > AFAIK (see http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=103185126500005&r=1&w=2)
there
> was a VOTE only for Dave
> > Chappell AND NOT for Jaime or Richard. Please initiate a separate VOTE
for
> those two.
> >
> > root,
> > Please setup id's for Dave ONLY at this time.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > dims (XML-PMC)
> >
> > --- James M Snell <jasnell@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> > > Can you please set up id's for the following people....
> > >
> > > Dave Chappell   dchappell@sonicsoftware.com     dchappell
> > > Jaime Meritt    jmeritt@sonicsoftware.com       jmeritt
> > > Richard Chung   rchung@sonicsoftware.com        rchung
> > >
> > > Here's the breakdown on the votes on axis-dev
> > >
> > > +1  ==> 3
> > > +0  ==> 2
> > > -1  ==> 0
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > - James Snell
> > >      IBM Emerging Technologies
> > >      jasnell@us.ibm.com
> > >      (559) 587-1233 (office)
> > >      (700) 544-9035 (t/l)
> > >      Programming Web Services With SOAP
> > >          O'Reilly & Associates, ISBN 0596000952
> > >
> > >      Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous.
> > >      Do not be terrified, do not be discouraged, for the Lord your
> > >      God will be with you whereever you go.    - Joshua 1:9
> >
> >
> > =====
> > Davanum Srinivas - http://xml.apache.org/~dims/
> >
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