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From "Arun swaran Jagatheesan" <a...@sdsc.edu>
Subject RE: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...
Date Tue, 28 May 2002 09:27:06 GMT
A voice from an user and non-committer:

I am currently working on protocols and web services that can deliver data
in different storage mechanisms including the good old tape to new gadgets.
Needless to say i have trusted the software developed by this group for
service oriented architecture.

When i contacted one of the members (Russell) some time back regarding AXIS
development, he encouraged it (just like anyone in open development process
has to do). If there was +1 in all issues, it would have also meant the
group is not making rational decisions with proper discussions.   I guess
having an "active" committer list would encourage new members who might
wrongly assume that there are already too many cooks.

Its already doing a good job for us (users). Looking forward for even more
better software, better development process or a better Axis.

Regards,
Arun.
~~~~~~~~~
Dream; because, dreams lead to thoughts; thoughts lead to action, and action
leads to achievement.

Arun swaran Jagatheesan
http://www.sdsc.edu/~arun/
San Diego Supercomputer Center.
(858)822.5452

> -----Original Message-----
> From: R J Scheuerle Jr [mailto:scheu@us.ibm.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 8:52 AM
> To: axis-dev@xml.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...
>
>
> Read the replies again.  We only have a half-dozen active
> committers.  This
> does affect the kinds of messages on axis-dev, and it does affect our
> responsiveness.  We are certainly not excluding anyone from being a
> committer.  We would like to have more committers.
>
> There is some friction on the forums and chats from time to time,
> but there
> is also much cooperation.  Everyone is working hard to make Axis a better
> product.
>
> (I am glad there is some friction.  I want a forum where developers can
> have disagreements.  I don't want to work with a bunch of "shrinking
> violets".)
>
> Rich Scheuerle
> XML & Web Services Development
> 512-838-5115  (IBM TL 678-5115)
>
>
>
>
>                       "Fernandez Martinez,
>
>                       Alejandro"                        To:
> axis-dev@xml.apache.org
>                       <a.fernandez.martinez@iber        cc:
>
>                       matica.com>                       Subject:
> RE: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...
>
>
>                       05/27/2002 09:04 AM
>
>                       Please respond to axis-dev
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sorry for the comment, it was not intended as a general criticism. Please
> note that I'm not an Apache committer, and so my opinions are those of an
> outsider.
>
>
> I will requote myself to explain it better:
>
>
> > The true strength of the Apache community is, IMHO, not in
> > its democratic
> > values, but in the spirit of cooperation. Only when this
> > fails, does the
> > result suck (Apache Axis comes to mind).
>
>
> 'The result' stands there for 'the resulting development process' (not the
> product). In Jakarta land, things get discussed quite often; few messages
> go through without comment, and people are encouraged to
> contribute. On the
> contrary, in the Axis development list, the vast majority of messages are
> about technical issues. I have submitted a couple of patches (not well
> documented, not well patched, but useful to many people IMHO) to make Axis
> easier to use, but I didn't even get a reply; and I've seen some other
> people in the same situation.
>
>
> After raising the issue, I got the following answers:
>
>
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=axis-dev&m=101861850526262&w=2
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=axis-dev&m=101862288730974&w=2
>
>
> This made me think that there's not enough cooperation on Axis, and the
> development process is too closed. Either you're in, or you will
> never make
> it. If you cannot scratch your itch, then the result will be lack of
> interest from third parties. This is something that I've never seen on
> Jakarta. In fact, the original thread in
>
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/general@jakarta.apache.org/msg05431.html
> was about being too open to admit new committers.
>
>
> I did not want to cross-post; if you feel I should send this to
> general@jakarta, I will gladly do so in a separate message.
>
>
> Un saludo,
>
>
> Alex.
>
>
> > -----Mensaje original-----
> > De: Glyn Normington [mailto:glyn_normington@uk.ibm.com]
> > Enviado el: lunes 27 de mayo de 2002 15:06
> > Para: a.fernandez.martinez@ibermatica.com
> > CC: axis-dev@xml.apache.org
> > Asunto: RE: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...
> >
> >
> > Alex,
> >
> > I would be grateful if you could spell out why you think Apache Axis
> > 'sucks'? As an Axis committer I am aware of some major
> > deficiencies, but
> > perhaps you had other things in mind. Please copy axis-dev on
> > your reply as
> > I'm sure the other developers would welcome specific criticisms.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Glyn
> > ----- Forwarded by Glyn Normington/UK/IBM on 27/05/02 13:58 -----
> >
> >
> >
> >                       Sam
> >
> >
> >                       Ruby/Raleigh/IBM@        To:
> > axis-dev@xml.apache.org
> >
> >                       IBMUS                    cc:
> >
> >
> >                                                Subject:  RE:
> > [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...
> >
> >                       27/05/02 11:21
> >
> >
> >                       Please respond to
> >
> >
> >                       axis-dev
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Seen on general@jakarta.apache.org.  Note the last paragraph.
> >
> > - Sam Ruby
> >
> > ---------------------- Forwarded by Sam Ruby/Raleigh/IBM on 05/27/2002
> > 06:20 AM ---------------------------
> >
> > "Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro"
> > <a.fernandez.martinez@ibermatica.com> on
> > 05/27/2002 06:10:09 AM
> >
> > Please respond to "Jakarta General List" <general@jakarta.apache.org>
> >
> > To:    "'Jakarta General List'" <general@jakarta.apache.org>
> > cc:
> > Subject:    RE: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Andrew,
> >
> > > -----Mensaje original-----
> > > De: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:acoliver@apache.org]
> > > Enviado el: sábado 25 de mayo de 2002 18:39
> > > Para: Jakarta General List
> > > Asunto: Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...
> > >
> > > From my understanding, in most European parliamentary democracies,
> > > generally you vote for more issue-oriented parties.  Even if
> > > you "loose"
> > > you take a certain number of seats.  So it makes sense to vote
> > > regardless of whether its going to be a landslide.
> >
> > In most European countries, voting is as irrelevant as it's
> > in the States:
> > http://www.billionairesforbushorgore.com/
> > In Spain we've seen socialists undercutting social benefits
> > and privatizing
> > public companies; and right-wing parties supporting abortion
> > and promoting
> > public function. (Not a bad thing, necessarily, just a sign
> > of the times).
> > I'm sure you can think of similar examples in your own countries.
> >
> > The true strength of the Apache community is, IMHO, not in
> > its democratic
> > values, but in the spirit of cooperation. Only when this
> > fails, does the
> > result suck (Apache Axis comes to mind).
> >
> > Un saludo,
> >
> > Alex.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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