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From Tom Jordahl <t...@macromedia.com>
Subject RE: too many "inactive" committers
Date Wed, 29 May 2002 14:45:56 GMT
>> What are you waiting for feedback on at this point? 
>> Did you hash out an acceptable design with Glen?  If so, check it in. 
> What do you mean by 'hash out an acceptable design with Glen'? 
> Must a would-be contributor agree on the design before submitting anything?

No, there is history here that you are not aware of.
Glen and Sylvain were discussing what direction to take.

--
Tom Jordahl
Macromedia




-----Original Message-----
From: Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro [mailto:a.fernandez.martinez@ibermatica.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 6:25 AM
To: 'axis-dev@xml.apache.org'
Subject: RE: too many "inactive" committers


Hi Tom, 
> -----Mensaje original----- 
> De: Tom Jordahl [mailto:tomj@macromedia.com] 
> Enviado el: miƩrcoles 29 de mayo de 2002 0:18 
> Para: 'axis-dev@xml.apache.org' 
> Asunto: RE: too many "inactive" committers 
> 
> 
> 
> Sylvain, 
> 
> What are you waiting for feedback on at this point? 
> Did you hash out an acceptable design with Glen?  If so, check it in. 
What do you mean by 'hash out an acceptable design with Glen'? Must a would-be contributor
agree on the design before submitting anything?
> Why are you "about to give up"? 
> 
> Just a hint, if you haven't heard anything in a month, it 
> probably is off the scope for 99% of normal busy committers. :-) 
This does not encourage people to become active. It's difficult for products to evolve when
committers just follow their original scopes. It's impossible for outsiders to become insiders
when their own necessities are ignored like this.
> We want you to contribute, unless you get a -1, don't let us 
> get in your way! :-) 
Perhaps reviewing the submissions and -1'ing them would be better than to keep silent. Otherwise,
contributing has no sense, and people give up. This is the fourth case that I'm aware of in
axis-dev.
And no, Sylvain, it's not a 'fundamental limitation of the open source process'; quite the
contrary. The process is intended to encourage people to submit patches, either to solve bugs
or to implement feature requests. This way, it takes advantage of voluntary work. It doesn't
always work, however.
Un saludo, 
Alex. 
> 
> -- 
> Tom Jordahl 
> Macromedia 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: St-Germain, Sylvain [mailto:Sylvain.StGermain@cognos.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 1:41 PM 
> To: axis-dev@xml.apache.org 
> Subject: RE: too many "inactive" committers 
> 
> 
> 
> About "...encourage more people to become active"... I have 
> been active at 
> raising issues as an Axis user and usually got great 
> feedback, this was 
> great and made me adopting Axis.  
> 
> Now that I want to contribute I find the committers quite 
> silent.  I have 
> been waiting at least a month now regarding soap header stuff... 
> 
> Am I hitting one of the limit of the Open Source process... 
> 
> Not having a question answered as a user is obviously not 
> fun, having a 
> submitted feature sleeping in without appropriate feedback is worse.  
> 
> I have to admit that I am about to give up. 
> 
> Sylvain. 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Sanjiva Weerawarana [mailto:sanjiva@watson.ibm.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 11:10 AM 
> To: axis-dev@xml.apache.org 
> Subject: Re: too many "inactive" committers 
> 
> 
> No, I'm serious: I think it makes absolute sense to clean up 
> committer lists every once in a while- people become active 
> with the good intention of being active for ever. However, 
> reality beats them down often. 
> 
> Getting new blood flowing thru the project is critical to 
> good health IMO! 
> 
> Cutting out all the "sleeper" developers would highlight the 
> real status of the Axis committer community and hopefully 
> that'll encourage more people to become active. 
> 
> Sanjiva. 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "R J Scheuerle Jr" <scheu@us.ibm.com> 
> To: <axis-dev@xml.apache.org> 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 7:49 PM 
> Subject: Re: too many "inactive" committers 
> 
> 
> > I don't think its necessary to de-committerize you Sanjiva :-). 
> > 
> > Please stay! 
> > 
> > Rich Scheuerle 
> > XML & Web Services Development 
> > 512-838-5115  (IBM TL 678-5115) 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "Sanjiva Weerawarana" <sanjiva@watson.ibm.com> 
> > 05/27/2002 06:50 PM 
> > Please respond to axis-dev 
> > 
> >  
> >         To:     "Axis Development List" <axis-dev@xml.apache.org> 
> >         cc: 
> >         Subject:        too many "inactive" committers 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I sense that there's concern that there are too many inactive 
> > committers on axis-dev. 
> > 
> > I'm definitely one of the culprits. I volunteer to become a non- 
> > committer to help reduce the "deadwood." Can someone please 
> > "de-committerize" me? 
> > 
> > Hopefully having fewer inactive committers will help get more 
> > "new blood" into this project. 
> > 
> > Sanjiva. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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