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From "Steve Graham" <sggra...@us.ibm.com>
Subject Re: Proposed Contribution to Apache - WSIF
Date Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:09:30 GMT
Indeed, Paul is correct here.  The work we are doing in the Open Grid
Services Architecture [1] is quite looking forward to augment the Java WSIF
with other language implementations (eg C, C++).  Many of our customers
have JVMs in their environment, many don't.  Web services is at its heart
language neutral; we still have the hard engineering work ahead of us to
realize this.

[1] http://www.globus.org/research/papers/ogsa.pdf

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Steve

I guess this isn't exactly your main point, but one aspect of WSIF we are
very interested in is producing a non-Java (C, C++, C*) implementation. In
particular, there has been some interest from Grid researchers in this.

Paul


----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Loughran" <steve_l@iseran.com>
To: <axis-dev@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: Proposed Contribution to Apache - WSIF


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sam Ruby" <rubys@us.ibm.com>
> To: <axis-dev@xml.apache.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 5:54 AM
> Subject: Re: Proposed Contribution to Apache - WSIF
>
>
>
> > I'm thinking in terms of a separate PMC.
> >
> > These types of things always involve much more than anyone would
> reasonably
> > predict.  The web site is the least of my concerns.  The problem is
that
> > when you contemplate a change like this, people start revisiting and
> > questioning every assumption.  Should Axis be the code base?  Should
Axis
> > be split up?  Should xml-security be included?  How about xml-rpc?  Are
> > there other code bases we should look to incorporate into the fold?
>
> Take a step back: should Java be the code base? It seems to me that C++,
> Perl and even C# should be in there as and when appropriate. I can easily
> imagine an assembly C# classes to provide interoperable implementations
of
> some of the more complex Java stuff, for example.
>
> What about REST based web services? There are indubitably things we can
do
> to improve that model of interaction; to help formalise it rather than
make
> it the generic 'call all post/get functionality a 'REST' service'
> marketology we have today.
>
> More importantly, what role can Apache play in actually setting a roadmap
> for web services? Currently it is implementing standards developed by
> mainstream bodies (soap1.2 & w3c), but there is a definate trend in the
web
> service world for the WS-I to announce standards (c.f last week'
> sauthentication announcement), under unclear IPR issues.
>
> I assume that the ibm.com folk (Sam included) are in-loop on the WS-I
stuff,
> but dont want Apache to end up at the bottom of the food chain for
> implementation of strategic stuff (i.e. be relegated to the client side
> library for commercial SOAP server products), and it is important for all
> the development community to be aware of what is going on.
>
> Apache could work with this group explicitly, but I have to start
worrying
> about any IPR issues; we dont want a repeat of the (hopefully now
resolved)
> Jakarta/JCP situation.
>
> >
> > What is the vision, mission, and goals of the new project?
> >
> > My intent at the moment is just to plan a seed so that it can possibly
> > germinate later.  These are excellent things to pursue after an Axis
has
a
> > release.  Meanwhile, I'd prefer that these considerations not derail
> > discussions as to whether or not there is general interest in WSIF as a
> > technology within Apache.
>
> -Steve
>





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