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From "Matthew Duftler" <>
Subject Re: Updates to WSDL4J
Date Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:28:27 GMT

Hi dims,

>For example it would be great if the cvs commit logs flow into jsr110 (as
it does on
>axis-dev for all Axis CVS commits).

This is a good idea. I don't know if developerWorks can do that, but I will
find out.


                    Srinivas             To:     Matthew Duftler/Watson/IBM@IBMUS        
                    <       cc:, Sanjiva Weerawarana
                    m>                    <>              
                                         Subject:     Re: Updates to WSDL4J              
                    10:16 AM                                                             
                    Please respond                                                       
                    to dims                                                              


Thanks a ton for the detailed reply. Yes, we do know the perils of using an
evolving cvs tree.
That's the reason Sam come up with Gump (

Just wanted a short email on at least jsr110 mailing list that something
has happened or will
happen. For example it would be great if the cvs commit logs flow into
jsr110 (as it does on
axis-dev for all Axis CVS commits). For now, yes, we will look into cvs log

Really looking forward to working together...


--- Matthew Duftler <> wrote:
> Hi dims,
> Sure. The heads up was sent on 11/21/01, where I indicated we would be
> committing more changes imminently. There will also be more changes
> committed over the next day or so.
> In addition, I was under the impression that when you guys decided to do
> nightly build, you were aware that if something changes, your code
> obviously will not compile. I interpret this to be an automated "heads
> that things have changed.
> Since the new changes were committed late last night, it would have been
> difficult to provide any support between then and now.
> You are basing your code on a CVS tree that intends to serve as a
> implementation for a spec which is still being written. The spec and the
> codebase are each evolving (frequently, as changes are discussed, one
> creeps ahead of the other; I gather you Axis folks have experienced the
> same phenomenon).
> When you base your code on an evolving CVS tree, and not on a snapshot
> a release, which doesn't exist yet), your integration code will cease to
> function when changes are made. If you want to be instantly up to date
> any changes that are made to code you depend on, then you should be
> to stomach having to walk through some of the changes yourselves. If you
> want support for understanding the changes, well, sometimes that can't
> happen in one night.
> In short, the changes being committed were agreed upon (in concept) long
> ago by the JSR110 Expert Group. We are still updating the text in the
> to reflect the decisions we've made. We did not agree upon line-by-line
> changes, so it would be impossible to telegraph those changes to you
> of time. We are going to review the changes that have been committed, and
> yes, they might change. Incidentally, as I said last time, these changes
> were discussed and posted to our web-site long ago.
> So, I repeat my words from my last note:
> "The changes that will be committed over the next few days will
> break your nightly builds (they are changes to some of the exposed APIs,
> not just the internal stuff). Maybe you'd be better off using the tagged
> 0_8 snapshot, instead of the latest tree for now. Then when the changes
> done, we can get together and figure out what changes need to be made to
> your integration."
> The best place to find out what effect the committed changes have is to
> check the CVS log for updated files. The notes are very detailed.
> Thanks,
> -Matt

>                     Davanum

>                     Srinivas             To:

>                     <       cc:     Sanjiva Weerawarana
> Matthew
>                     m>                    Duftler/Watson/IBM@IBMUS

>                                          Subject:     Updates to WSDL4J

>                     11/30/2001

>                     09:32 AM

>                     Please respond

>                     to dims



> Sanjiva, Matt,
> Is it possible to give us a heads up and some support when things change
> WSDL4J? Better
> communication between the two teams will increase the chance that a Web
> Services umbrella will
> happen in the future.
> Thanks,
> dims
> =====
> Davanum Srinivas -
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