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From "Yuhichi Nakamura" <>
Subject RE: [Vote] 1 Msg or 2
Date Sat, 03 Feb 2001 14:56:49 GMT

First of all, incoming/outgoing are not clear to me in intermediaries.
Input/output or request/response are clear.  Thoughts.

I am not sure what you say.  I assume that a output message is
first created by a pivot, then modified through handlers on
output chain.  In this case, you do not have to prepare
special room for outgoing (put) message.  Did I get your


Yuhichi Nakamura
IBM Research, Tokyo Research Laboratory
Tel: +81-46-215-4668
FAX: +81-46-215-7413

From: Glen Daniels <> on 2001/02/02 01:00

Please respond to

To:   "''" <>
Subject:  RE: [Vote] 1 Msg or 2

+1 for 2 messages.

I continue to believe it is important for various handlers in the chain(s)
to be able to orthogonally build up pieces of an outgoing message.  If
is a specific place for such a message to live, then everyone will
just use it.  If we don't have two messages, we need to take some other
approach such as putting "candidate headers" that are destined for the
outgoing message into the context, and then rely on some handler down the
line to actually put them into the "real" outgoing message.  To me, this
seems fraught with peril. (not to mention melodrama, eh? :))


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Davis []
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 9:38 AM
> To:
> Subject: [Vote] 1 Msg or 2
> To help move things along, I'd like to propose that
> we VOTE on one of the smaller open issues - one message
> or two in the MessageContext.
> I propose that we have two messages, an incoming and
> an outgoing (or an request and a response - we can
> work on the words after the vote).  From the e-mails
> I think that's where most (not all) people are but
> I'd like to have a formal vote to try to bring this to
> a close.  Committers, if you vote -1 please give a
> details list of reasons why one message would be better
> in an effort to sway us to your side.  Likewise, if you
> vote +1 and can think of reasons why one message just
> won't cut it please let us know of those too.
> -Dug

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