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From Scott Carey <sc...@richrelevance.com>
Subject Re: Questions re integrating Avro into Cascading process
Date Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:04:30 GMT

On Apr 15, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Ken Krugler wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> We're looking at creating a Cascading Scheme for Avro, and have got a  
> few questions below. These are very general, as this is more of a  
> scoping phase (as in, are we crazy to try this) so apologies in  
> advance for lack of detail.
> 
> For context, Cascading is an open source project that provides a  
> workflow API on top of Hadoop. The key unit of data is a tuple, which  
> corresponds to a record - you have fields (names) and values.  
> Cascading uses a generalized "tap" concept for reading & writing  
> tuples, where a tap uses a scheme to handle the low-level mapping from  
> Cascading-land to/from the storage format.

I am somewhat familiar with Cascading as a user.  I am not familiar with how it is implemented
or how to customize things like a Tap or Sink.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but its notion of a record is very simple -- there are no arrays
or maps -- just a list of fields.
This maps to avro easily.

> 
> So the goal here is to define a Cascading Scheme that will run on  
> 0.18.3 and later versions of Hadoop, and provide general support for  
> reading/writing tuples from/to an Avro-format Hadoop part-xxxxx file.
> 
> We grabbed the recently committed AvroXXX code from  
> org.apache.avro.mapred (thanks Doug & Scott), and began building the  
> Cascading scheme to bridge between AvroWrapper<T> keys and Cascading  
> tuples.

You might be fine without the org.apache.avro.mapred stuff -- specifically if you only need
the sinks and taps to use Avro and not the stuff in between a map and reduce.  For example,
I have a custom LoadFunc in Pig that can read/write avro data files working off Avro 1.3.0
-- but it works for a static schema.

> 
> 1. What's the best approach if we want to dynamically define the Avro  
> schema, based on a list of field names and types (classes)?
> 

Creating an Avro schema programmatically is fairly straightforward -- especially without arrays,
maps, or unions.  If the code has access to the Cascading record definition, transforming
that into an Avro schema dynamically should be straightforward. Schema has various constructors
and static methods from which you can get the JSON schema representation or just pass around
Schema objects.


> This assumes it's possible to dynamically define & use a schema, of  
> course.
> 
> 2. How much has the new Hadoop map-reduce support code been tested?
> 

I can't speak for all of what Doug has done here, but there are unit tests for basic stuff
-- word count, etc.


> 3. Will there be issues with running in 0.18.3, 0.19.2, etc?
> 
> I saw some discussion about Hadoop using the older Jackson 1.0.1 jar,  
> and that then creating problems. Anything else?

I'm using Avro 1.3.0 with 0.19.2 and 0.20.1 CDH2 in production and the only problem was the
above library conflict.  This is without the new o.a.avro.mapred stuff however.

> 
> 4. The key integration point, besides the fields+classes to schema  
> issue above, is mapping between Cascading tuples and AvroWrapper<T>
> 
> If we're using (I assume) the generic format, any input on how we'd do  
> this two-way conversion?
> 

I'd suggest thinking about using Avro container files for input and output, which may not
require the above depending on how Cascading is built internally.  In Pig for example, the
LoadFunc defines a pig schema on input for reading, and everything else from there requires
no change -- although this means that it is using the default pig types and serialization
for all the intermediate work, reading and writing inputs and outputs can be done with Avro
with minimal effort. 
Cascading is already defining the M/R jobs, the keys, values, etc... so you may only have
to modify the Tap to translate from an Avro schema to the Cascading record to get it to read
or write an Avro file.

One can go farther and use AvroWrapper and o.a.avro.mapred define the M/R jobs enabling a
lot of other possibilities.  I can't confidently state what all the requirements are here
outside of doing the Cascading record <> Avro schema translation and changing all the
touch points that Cascading has on the K/V types.


> Thanks!
> 
> -- Ken
> 
> --------------------------------------------
> Ken Krugler
> +1 530-210-6378
> http://bixolabs.com
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