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From "Daniel S. Haischt" <sirab...@gmx.net>
Subject AW: [Proposal] Breaking up Avalon
Date Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:26:03 GMT

> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Stephen McConnell [mailto:mcconnell@apache.org]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. November 2002 11:06
> An: Avalon-Phoenix Developers List
> Betreff: Re: [Proposal] Breaking up Avalon
> Peter Donald wrote:
> >On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:17, Ulrich Mayring wrote:
> >
> >>Regardless, what you describe seem to be interpersonal problems between
> >>certain individuals. Would you mind explaining precisely why a promotion
> >>of Phoenix to a TLP would solve these socially motivated problems?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Because those same individuals have vote and commit privlidges
> on phoenix. And
> >thus people who have never participated in the development of
> Phoenix can
> >block changes in phoenix if it conflicts or competes with their
> pet toolkit
> >(this has happened in the past and will happen again if we
> stay). Progressing
> >to a TLP essentially removes that risk.
> >
> There are two mistakes you have made here Pete:
>   1. I have contributed to Phoneix during its early days, locating
>      and reporting bugs, documentation and end-user support (back
>      when there were lots of problems and the comunity was small).
>   2. Objections that I have raised have been in relation to the
>      overarching issue of avoiding inconsitencies and
>      incompatabilities related to concurrent containerment
>      solutions.
> The problems that have occured arrose when we didn't agree on approaches
> concerning component assembly, configuration and context management, and
> more recently - meta.  You made it clear that the approaches I was
> putting forward at the time would *never* make it into Phoenix (or any
> other project you consider to be under your control). You reinforced
> that point of view with sustained -1, ensuring my exclusion. Following
> this, you chose to proceed on a path of character assasination.

btw - blaming each other for having done something wrong wouldn't
solve ur problems anyway.

the point is that people who just want to use a container like system,
first of all are getting focused to phoenix because there is a allready
working release and a couple of other third party projects are using
phoenix as their underlying technology. so basicly phoenix has been
proven to work out of the box and that is what matters to people. having
a different architectural design approach isn't that much important to
people if they are just starting over to use a container system.

so what i have to say is - don't screw up the good work just because
having two opposit opinions. that problem could be solved.

With best regards / Mit freundlichen Gruessen

Daniel S. Haischt IT Consulting
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