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From Berin Loritsch <blorit...@d-haven.org>
Subject Whether Avalon should be closed or not (was Re: Example "closed" site)
Date Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:19:19 GMT
It's sad that this is even becoming an issue now, but read on.

Stephen McConnell wrote:

>>A decision was made by the PMC and we are comfortable with it.  
> Aaron:
> With all due respect - you have not provided any evidence supporting
> this.  A decision by the Avalon PMC would be documented under a vote
> result in accordance with the policies and procedures.  According to
> Stefano no such vote was held.  As such a claim that a decision was made
> by the PMC is plainly incorrect.
> While this may be an administrative oversight - I'm concerned that the
> actions taken and the justifications provided to the board of directors
> are grounded on facts and established procedures and that in no way do
> we create the potential for the accusation of a whitewash.
>>I have made my recommendations to the Board based on those discussions
>>and the Board will make its decision.
> Could you please post to this list the recommendations that you have
> made to board.
> Cheers, Stephen.

Stephen, nothing has been done without things being first discussed on
the PMC list.  There really isn't a need to vote on the matter.  Add to
this the fact that Merlin (AKA Metro) is being pulled out of Avalon I
fail to see the reasoning behind your alarmist approach.

Why are you trying to hold the Avalon PMC and Aaron accountable to
_you_?  We are not accountable to _you_.  We are accountable to the ASF.

Now it sucks that things have come to this point, but our users are not
left in the cold.  The "closed" site provides information on where to go
to find the stuff that the users need/want to use.  There really isn't
a reason to have Avalon continue on in its present state.

No one has raised any issues until now.  Why now?  What is the big deal?
Since you are the only one raising flags, why?  Is it all because you
think that a certain "process" hasn't been followed?  Well, I doubt
anything would change simply because we now hold a vote.


"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to 
build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to 
produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning."
                 - Rich Cook

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