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From Niclas Hedhman <nic...@hedhman.org>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Stephen McConnell as a committer
Date Sat, 25 Sep 2004 10:33:55 GMT
On Saturday 25 September 2004 00:05, Leo Sutic wrote:

>  (1) ...a vote for commit rights for a person who hasn't requested
> them, and who has given them up voluntarily

Committership is typically not requested, it is offered. Steve has indicated 
that he has taken a little bit time off, been re-thinking some personal and 
project strategy, and says (to me) that he is fit to continue.

Hence, this is IMO an invalid reason for a veto.

>  (2) ...a project whose biggest contributor *can't* sit on the
> project's PMC, or on any PMC at all

The Board made that time-dependant, subject to long-term commitment and 
earning the respect required.

This is IMO also an invalid reason for veto.

> Am I the only one who thinks that this is a bit backwards?

You and Berin is making it backwards. Withdraw the veto and things are 
"forward" again.

> I have to pose the question: Why stay within the ASF? Is it the brand
> name? Is it the appeal of Apache when it comes to recruiting
> contributors? The Apache brand when selling it? It seems like you have
> no advantages by staying here, only disadvantages.

It is about history. We are proud that all of this started in ASF. We want to 
see it succeed in ASF. Personally, one day I want to see ASF being proud of 
Metro, just like it is proud of many other projects.

> Avalon is in cold
> storage, and given what has happened *every single time* we've brought
> it out of there, I think it can well stay there for the moment.

Depending on the negotiations with the Board, several things can be the 
outcome. What I am requesting is not to bring Stephen in to 'revive' Avalon. 
There are two main reasons;

1. I think it is silly that we should loose valuable time in this process, and 
we plainly just want to get on with the development the best we can.

2. In case(!) Avalon is dismantled by the Board, I don't see anyone but myself 
and Stephen willing to sort out the final closure of the codebase, similar to 
what I did with the avalon-excalibur prior to moving it to the new Excalibur 
TLP. Avalon should not be left like a war zone.


I hope I have given you enough information to peacefully withdraw your veto, 
which IMHO is based on invalid arguments.

Cheers
Niclas
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