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From "Stephen McConnell" <mcconn...@apache.org>
Subject RE: Stepping Back to Move Foward (WAS: RE: [VOTE] Stephen McConnell as a committer)
Date Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:57:07 GMT

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Farr, Aaron [mailto:Aaron.Farr@am.sony.com]
> Sent: 29 September 2004 17:50
> To: 'Avalon Developers List'
> Subject: Stepping Back to Move Foward (WAS: RE: [VOTE] Stephen
> as a committer)
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stephen McConnell [mailto:mcconnell@apache.org]
> >
> > In conclusion - where is the Avalon team today in this trust model?
> > Clearly a team needs to feel in control and masters of their own
> > I think this could have happened if the same approach were applied
> > the developers here as was applied to the Excalibur team.  The
> > question is one of identity.  Should the team start with a new
> > around which it creates its own community as it sees fit - or should
> > team rebuild the Avalon identity?
> >
> > I think a new identity is in the best interests of everyone.
> And just about everyone agrees a "new identity" is a good idea.
> Look, let's step back for a moment.
> A week ago the Board issued a set of comments and recommendations to
> Avalon and the Metro team.  For those who have it, it would be worth
> to re-read that message.  Also re-read Brian Behlendorf's response.
> were a series of concerns, one of which was the need for three
> (Metro, Avalon, Excalibur).  When we began to discuss the idea of only
> projects (Metro and Excalibur) we got an initially favorable response
> several Board members.

The feedback from the board was certainly helpful and in my mind can be
summarized along the following lines:

  1. concerns related to the breakup of Avalon and how this would impact
     users here at apache and outside

  2. concerns related to the historical patterns of conflict-centered 
     processes and in particular - the potential for that process model
     to be carried over within future endeavors

  3. concerns that the separation is driven by an inability of people
     to get along together

And more recently ...

  4. steve is the spawn of the devil, here to corrupt the very soul 
     of the ASF

OK - anyone who's into point 4 needs to get a life.

So the first question is - yes or no - do we agree on that point 1-3 are
points that justify our attention?  If there is general consensus that
these points should be addressed then deal with them individually.


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