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From Stephen McConnell <mcconn...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [RT] Converging our Concerns
Date Thu, 07 Aug 2003 15:30:20 GMT

Berin Loritsch wrote:

> Currently, we have three community concerns:
> 1. Support our Users
> 2. Work together
> 3. Create kick-a** stuff and have fun.
> These are goals that I think we can all agree to.  Our actual 
> positions (to
> borrow Leo's terms) have been the points of contentions and causing us to
> fail on two of our community concerns.
> So keeping in mind *all* three of our concerns (goals) above I suggest 
> the
> following course of action:
> 1) We do a quick beta release of Merlin.
> 1) We outfit Merlin to support Phoenix users and Fortress users.  I 
> believe
>    90% of the hard stuff has been done.
> 2) We release Merlin as our one container for current users.  I.e. Avalon
>    Container codenamed "Merlin".
> Why Merlin and not Fortress or Phoenix?
> Primarily because most of the work to support our users has already been
> done in Merlin.  Fortress would have much too far to go to support 
> Phoenix
> components, and Merlin can already host the most used features/components
> for Phoenix (i.e. it can run JAMES).  The only things required to make
> Merlin fully Phoenix/Fortress compatible is to incorporate the other 
> container
> specific code as compatibility modules.
> The proposed course of action will provide one container codebase for us
> to support our users, and then we can naturally divide our efforts as we
> see fit.  Some of us are refactoring fiends and like the guts of stuff to
> be clean and well understood.  Some of us are more into components.  
> Others
> like to try some completely new ideas.
> WIth our current users supported--through a container compatible with 
> Phoenix
> and Fortress--we don't have to actually have the Phoenix and Fortress 
> code
> around forever.  We can start having fun with a 
> nano-kernel/container-container
> approach.
> I give my word not to try to control development, and we can start having
> fun again and address all our community concerns listed above.
> Thoughts?  


> Am I off my rocker?

No more than I am!




Stephen J. McConnell

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